I want to cry what it this !! we Waited for sooooooo long and in the end that is all !!
aaaaaaaaaah I want more more more more that isn't enough it's so short + and it's so expected there is nothing new in it !! we all know that this would happened Nakamura sinsi we are so disappointed
mechgouki as Always your the best ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ supper supper supper supper supper fast thank you ♥
when is the next is out ? is it really in the 4 of December !!!!! this long ?
Omg.. thank you so much :D so fast ^^ i was checking it hourly till my internet gave up on me >.> it juz came back and i was so glad that it did ^^ YAY for a new chapter, thx so much mechgouki~
i lol'ed at the director :D:D:D i wonder how did kyoko gain access to 'touch' ren? did yashiro help? :X
rick's gf is a b****h >.> and this chapter ending is juz so sweet ^^
bah... one mth to go... *sighs and resigned to entertain ownself till next mth*
My sweet God, this was awesome! Almost two days earlier, Mechgouki, thank you so much! And sweet dreams.
Shiroyuki-chyn, you surely have to have a connection to Nakamura sensei, you told it! I mean, what is happening with the blood after Kyoko touched Ren. Awesome. I am looking forward to your next prediction. :-)
ohhh.....its heart-warming...i hope Kyoko realize her feeling towards ren soon..hmm..whats the other guy name the one that wake up from his seat when kyoko first went to see ren? he saw kyoko..new rival comes?lol
Awwwwww.... Although this was what we all expected (like Sara said) but it's still good to finally get to see it <3 I guess we'll have to wait for the next chapter to see what impact this incident will have on their relationship!!
Oh, I was so happy with the chapter I almost forgot: Thank you sooooo much for uploading the chapter, mechgouki!!!!! I didn't expect it to be out yet at all!!!
Kyaa! Not a lot of dialouge to this one, but it was great! I knew it, that Kyoko's warmth would reach Ren. Glad she was able to wake him up, and that it's not really a cliffhanger for once >_>
thanks for translating as usual, you're the best!
I want to see some progress in the story or Ren/Kyoko relationship, but I also want to know more about Rick and the angry chick. I feel so bad for Kuon -he was just a kid, like 14 (but he looks older) when all this went down, and he's getting blamed for murder. It'd be vehicular manslaughter of the person driving, at worst.
Thanks a lot for this new chapter.. well done and super fast as always...
I wanted more..as always.. but in the end it was a real nice chapter...Lory was right ... Kyoko is his lucky charm..he needs her and I guess now he can't deny it any more...
Let's hope that their relationship will progress a little bit after that!!
OMG by the end of the chapter i was like squealing!!!! i am so excited to see what happens next!!! thank you so much for the fast translation mechgouki!!!
But Thank you so much for this chapter! Do you want me to do a little cleanup or anything? Cause I have some time
But I think that this is a really sweet chapter despite the darkness part of it
There wasn't a lot of words said but I think that the pictures are more than enough to show what's happening
As Kuon is being covered with blood and is being swallowed in guilt and grief Kyoko simply by calling his name and holding his hand helped him stay and leave that depressing state
I think Nakamura-sensei is showing how literary Kyoko is able to "Wash off the blood" that is on him
Thank you soooo much for posting. If you didn't, I would be so sad. So thanks for all of your hard work.
Wow, just what I wanted from this chapter! The sad look on Kyoko's face as Ren comes out of it. I hope she realizes at the very least how much Ren means to her, even if she won't admit it's love yet.
I seriously wasn't expecting the chapter so soon but it was awesome. Thank you so much for your fast translation!
I have to say that to me it felt like the chapter was just beginning and then it was over. T_T I loved it though. My favorite part was when the blood was dripping off Ren. Ren has to know now that Kyoko's his good luck charm and that he needs her, even if he doesn't want to admit it.
As for the wait, I'm super dumbed. Seems like there are a lot of one chapter a month releases going on lately. Although Thanksgiving is coming up, but do they celebrate that in Japan? December 4th. I shall be waiting....
Great Job doing those scans, however it'd be nice if you'd release zip files... or at least got a good online viewer since it's a bit of a pain to read it like that.
Mechgouki-kun thank you so much, sleep and rest meanwhile us the fan-girls build altars to worship you, and pry the godess for your well being.
This chapter, left me with a warm and fluffy feeling, with a lot of grafical beauty, even when there was no surprise at all, we all suspected that was going to happen, but it was still good, but still a month wait is going to be hard to endure.
[EDIT] Before I forget, thank you Mechie-Mechie! And congrats on finding a job! May good luck be with you!
Prediction: -More RenxKyoko ship tease -Continuing with the filming of Dark Moon -Continuing with filming of BoxR -Ren still gets sent to the hospital -Ren gets sent to a therapist.
-Ren realizes how much he needs Kyoko and doesn't fire her from being his lucky charm.
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Crack Predictions:
-Ren finds out Rick's GF ended up in an asylum for talking and hugging poles and bushes claiming they are "Rick".
-Ren finds out Rick was came back to life as a zombie for Michael Jackson's music video "Thriller"
-Rick and Rick's girlfriend are actually brother and sister!
-Rick and Ren were actually wanabe rappers. Not gang leaders or gang members.
Yes, the chapter's a little short but it does confirm a couple things. First, it shows that Ren and Rick had a strong bond (rather that Ren and the Bond girl)because Ren is wondering what Rick would have wanted. Second, we know now that Ren was definitely involved in some messed up $#!+ (possibly gang related activities). Because even if the Blond girl is evil she couldn't blame Ren unless his actions/presence (no matter how indirect) could be tied to Rick's murder.
I think that at the very least other characters will start to see that Ren and Kyoko have a strong connection. But it will still take Kyoko longer to realize that she feels something for Ren.
Wow! Super fast and quality translating as always mechgouki!! Thank you so much! No suprises this chapter, but grafically speaking, it was very interesting. I like the way art was used to covey the feelings rather than relying on dialogue. -Ray
Did you see Kuon's face when his hand was tugged from nowhere? it's saying "What's happening to my hand!?" No wonder he was pulled out of the darkness.
I don't think Lory's going to allow Ren to be sent to a therapist. Kyouko seems to be LME's in-house therapist and Ren's her latest patient. He's gonna spill his secrets to her eventually. But only after he relives them and she's there to pick him up again and again. So sweet. He's going to trust her :)
The Box R director is funny. I was wondering why everyone left him out of the summary.
The Box R co-star chick who came along is probably going to confirm for everyone else on the set that Ren and Kyouko have a mutually close relationship (with a sour face). But the loudmouth director will probably do it first.
So many people witnessed Ren responding only when Kyouko tried, that there is bound to be a lot of gossip surrounding it. Especially with Ren's platonic status until now. It'll probably be in some gossip magazine that Shou's manager is reading and then desperately tries to hide but then Shou hears some girls gossiping about it and then something interesting will happen. In about 20 chapters :(
Thank you for sharing Mecha. I hope your job search is going well.
Also, another comment for Ashton. If you really want Mech to use a good online viewer, make it easy for her and provide one. She does a great job here and we're lucky to get this much :D
And Cherry-chi, as always, I love your crack predictions;)
tHANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK.... sKIP BEAT had a very slow pace in the last few chapters, and this is a slow chapter too, but I think from this point on a lot of things will happen...this is a mile stone in the story (or so I hope...)
thank you for the fast translation this chapter was short but i least he can start to figure out ren past. hopefully next chapter will have more interaction with the caracter. pam ps. love ren in blond hair
Mechgouki- Thanks so much for always doing such a great job at translating! And so quick, too!! I can always keep up with my massive Skip Beat addiction thanks to you!
I knew it!!!!!!! Go kyoko!!! And we get to see Ren's happy face again :) Thank goodness he snapped out of it. But I wonder what will happen now. I mean, he obviously will not tell Kyoko even if she asks, but Lory will find out eventually and he'll probably understand what was wrong. And the paparazzi will no doubt put some huge story about it so maybe even Ren's parents will find out (and no doubt worry). But, I don't really know. Anything could happen now. Anywho, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE CHAPTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can't wait for the next one =]
mechgouki i love you!!!! <3<3<3 you were super fast once again! i didn't expect the release until the day after tomorrow!
great chapter!!! seeing Kyouko waking up Ren was one of the many favorite highlights for me! ^0^ i can't wait for the next chapter. i wanna read more and more and more!!!! T.T
Yay~~ Thank You Mechgouki-sannn~~ Ha~ My prediction was pretty close, I just knew Kyoko would snap Ren out of his darkness~~Kyaaaa~~ I was squealing as I read this <3 <3 I I think that next chapter there'll be a scene where Ren is having a talk with Takarada-san about what happened during his shoot, and Takarada-san will say "See, Ren, she is your lucky charm. Do you really think you don't need her anymore? Can you still say that?" Then, Ren'll realize how much Kyoko truly means to her, and that she's the key to over-coming his past, like his charm.~~ Kyaaaa!!! I love you Mechgouki-san, Thank you Thank you!! Does anybody know when the next release is? I can't wait, why are the chapters so short??!!
Wow... as expected.. Mechgouki-kun is done with the chapter.. this chapter have more pictures than words, but it's still a good one. It conveyed the message. Thank you so much for the fast scanlation, Mechgouki-kun!! I appreciate it just like everybody else here.
@Hazy.. Mechgouki is a guy, not a girl.. ^-^
@Ebzenka.. Thanks for the compliment.. I'm glad that my prediction come true as well.. the only difference is that she touched his hand, not his chest.. but I did predicted that her touch clears out the blood stain in his body gradually, and from the point of touch, Kuon could see her hand only, and then slowly see more of her body and her face, then her voice kinda pull him out of the trance.
For next prediction.. hm.. I actually ended up typing this whole prediction up to next 3 chapters into a fanfic and posted it about a week ago.. LOL.. if you want to read it.. here's the link.. http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6433424/1/My_Protective_Charm
But that fanfic was based on last chapter.. so I might have to change something in the prediction for the next chapter.
Thanks Mechi, Wow super short but somehow extremely satisfying Ren and Kyokos relationship just got deeper and tons of people saw it I mean Kyoko is right there in the middle of everything people are gonna start talking especially the crew. T24
I know I should have done this earlier, but I'm not quite sure how this site works... So I'll just give you my name so that my review won't be that anonymous : I'm Idealess, and I've been reading your scanlations for quite a while now. Thank you so much for being so quick in posting SB! chapters, and for posting the PS2 game summary of the manga! You rock!
hm.. I noticed something, on pg.3 in this chapter.. those people gathering around the car.. looks like that Ogata (only see his back), and then there're 2 ladies standing behind him.. looks like Momose and Ohara. I wonder where Kijima is..
Then after talking to Ogata, it was then Kyoko walked over to Ren kinda said his name and that's probably when Yashiro came over to check on him.. and then Kyoko held Ren's hand and "wake him up". Ogata seemed to have gone calling for ambulance, the 2 ladies (I assume Momose & Oohara) are no longer near the car, and 2 crews came rushing over with a medical box to check on Ren (last page).
Also, apparently Kyoko gained access to be able to stay near the incident site with DM casts and crews because she's part of the cast as Mio.. as the Box-R director commented.. as he asked Kyoko to let him in, looks like he was blocked out along with all the bystanders, by the DM crews who's guarding the area from mobbing fans. That means, Sudo Yuka (Tugumi) who will arrive later (since she was the last to leave and ran slower than Kyoko) probably will only be able to just stand with the bystanders and won't be allowed access as well, she's not part of DM casts after all. Unless she was able to catch Kyoko standing nearby like her director did and asked for access, if not.. she's probably just stuck watching from a far till she had to return to the Box-R set, and ask Kyoko or the Director for more info. But of course, she might see, just like everybody else on site, that Ren and Kyoko seem to have a close relationship.. I'm thinking Ren probably wouldn't let go of Kyoko's hand for a while.. *grins*
I think next chapter.. They will want to take Ren to hospital to make sure he didn't hit his head or something, but Ren will probably said he's fine and that it's not necessary. Do you guys think Kyoko might insist that Ren should go to hospital and Ren would listen to her?? ^-^
I'm not sure if Ogata will allow Ren to resume shooting the car scene if he doesn't go to hospital.. I mean Ren will probably assure him that he could do it.. but I think Ogata might insist on using a stuntman this time for Ren's part of the scene. And of course, Kijima will end up seeing this Kyoko and think she's pretty enough to pursue, and Ren won't be happy with Kijima's reaction.
Aaaahhh! Next chapter is Dec 4th.. so long.. I need to entertain myself till then.. hope that at least by the end of the next chapter 167.. we get to see Ren and Kyoko back at the basement of their hotel, and while Kyoko is getting ready for Setsuka, Ren is with Lory, whom inquired about that day's incident (he would hear about it of course) and also about his decision to kill of Setsu's character (well, Ren already decided that there's no way he could say those cruel words to fire her like Lori suggested anyway), and so Ren would say "you're right President, she's my lucky charm after all, I now cannot live without her." ^-^
Shiroyuki mentioned something I wanted to point out. It starts with Kyoko holding Ren's hand, but in the 3rd to last page, you can see his fingers are curled up around hers now too, so they're actually holding hands. <3
Also, Crack predictions for the win! They were awesome.
Well, I think as well that Ren won't go to any hospital. He will tell he was just shocked or lost in thoughts or something, and he has people to help if he is in troubles.
Kyoko will not push him to go to hospital, as she is sure she can do it later without anyone hearing it, and after this she will be secretly extremely pleased. As well, she knows he cannot afford to be in hospital while playing Cain, and she thinks she can manage if he has problems. Everybody will guess if the "people" means Yashiro and Kyoko, but they will be surprised as Kyoko bows and takes part and goes back to the "Box R" location (she wants to be free from work as soon as possible).
Kyoko sure stays as Setsuka, but would Ren tell to Lory such warm words? I think not, it will be much less open. He just says something like "I changed my mind, she definitely is usefull".
But... oh please, just a little pillowfight! Maybe not in ch.167, but... for example... in the Christmas chapter? Where Corn's identity is revealed? This would be deffinitely a present to me! Pillowfight, pillowfight!
ok predictions for next chapter: you guys remember that promise that Kyoko made Ren Make? The one about not needing the good luck charm, I bet Kyoko is going to bring that up somewhere in the next few chapters.
People will most defenetly start to talk about Ren and Kyoko but people won't recognise kyoko in her Box R clothing so they will refer to her as the mistery girl or something.
Thank you so much again for your harwork Megachoupi!
I am really happy about the chapter, how Ren gaze gently at Kyouko, it was priceless!
I don't who is that chick in Ren past but I think she over reacted with jealousy when she shouted at Kuon. We don't really know if Rick really died, I seriously think she over reacted but maybe he really died so that's why Ren cancelled in his self Kuon and become probably "Rick".
I really like how the author show how important some moment are by showing us how the character react because I mean, Kyouko and Ren already held hands but never had showed anything special about it until this chapter.
That was quick! Oh, on p.12, you left a "———nara" untranslated in the top right frame.
@Shiroyuki-chan
hm.. I noticed something, on pg.3 in this chapter.. those people gathering around the car.. looks like that Ogata (only see his back), and then there're 2 ladies standing behind him.. looks like Momose and Ohara. I wonder where Kijima is..
Those two women don't look like anyone we've seen. First, Momose is wearing her hair down and loose (as seen in ch.163), as does her stunt double (ch.164). Ohara wasn't shown on the bus, but her hair also goes past her shoulders. Neither of the two women standing behind Director Ogata have hair like that. The woman with the hood could be the shorter-haired woman who commented on Kyoko's appearance in ch.163, except that her jacket is only waist length, not thigh length. The other woman (without the hood) is apparently shown again in p.22 standing behind Yashiro; if that's one of the two women, her clothes don't match the high neckline and short bolero-style jacket Momose was shown wearing in ch.162 and ch.163.
Also, on p.4, it shows Yashiro (based on his coat) standing by the rear door. I like the implication that he also tried to rouse Ren but failed. It obviously took Kyoko to draw Ren back. =)
Nothing better than finding a new chapter after a very long day... In the other hand, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN ANYTHING!!! And we have to wait until December 4th (my birthday by the way) sigh... sigh Thanks for your effort Mech-kun -aniyeri
Ren's reaction to Kyoko makes no mistaking for his feelings towards her. He was very close to slipping away into a permanent traumatized state, his psyche is really more frail than he lets on. It's good that Lory anticipated Ren's needs in the event that something violent may trigger bad flashbacks, but even more fortunate that someone such as Kyoko came into Ren's life. When addressing Ren's lacking talent in Dark Moon, Lory was pointing out that Ren doesn't know how to love. Would Ren have come out of his trauma without Kyoko? Even as Ren builds Kyoko up, she builds him up as well. I think this arc makes Ren's vulnerabilities more apparent, but the romantic relationship part of SB is dragging. If it's for better character development, then okay.. but it takes a car crash for Kyoko to start treating Ren more than an acquaintance? *facepalm* maybe it's her strict values on respect, but C'MON!!
Thanks thanks thanks mechgoukiii!!! You totally rocks!
I SUPER AGREE with everyone here. This chapter is waaaayyyy too short! I need more progress, please please pleaseeee... But I'm SO HAPPY to see that it's Kyoko (ONLY!!) who is able to bring Ren to conscious. Uwaaa, I almost screamed even though I'm in class now! Lol. So sweeeettt, the way Ren says "I can hear you, loud and clear".. *faint*
And what's that on the bottom of the pageee??!!! I have to wait for another 1 month??!! *shocked* What's going to happen next?? Well, at least this chapter is not so cliffhanger. But still, I desperately want to see the next progress. Sensei! Please draw FASTER!! :D
Mechi! Sorry for not posting on the last chapter but I was rereading SB at the time. Then just after I finish catching up and check back here this one's up already! Another fast, fluent, coherent and amazing chapter from you! Well done, now you can take a well-deserved rest!
@Cherry-chi Prediction: -More RenxKyoko ship tease For some reason (tiredness probably) when I read this I thought it said RenxKyoko strip tease...my bad! LOL I can't imagine Kyoko doing that though.Ren? I wish!!
@Shiroyuki-chan I read your story!! It was great. The panties scene was hilarious! And considering I was still laughing over my misreading Cherry-chi's comment at the time it had me cracking up. You should definitely continue it though. I want to see them go shopping for more! Yashiro could even follow them! I can so imagine how Yashiro would react the two of them standing there arguing over which ones to buy.
I feel like my heads going to explode from all my fan-girling so I'm gonna take a break and maybe return when I can write coherently.
Didn't notice that. Now it sorts of screws up my ordering, and I don't know where to add that loose term. :(
We have no proof that Momose is using a stunt double, and she doesn't really need to have one. I can't imagine a stunt double screaming all the way in a car to top that off. :P
Anyway, the last we saw of Momose was her screaming in the car. Where is she? Maybe she hid somewhere to puke? :P
I was wondering, am I the only one that thinks that Rick could still be alive, I mean the girl called Kuon a Killer but we don´t know what happen later maybe, he ended up in a coma or paralitic or maybe with a really ugly scar, I just think a death be to severe.
And my prediction, In december we will finally see Ren´s birthday present, do you realize that is been a yearand 3months already T_T
You are seriously awesome! Awesome fast work, smooth translation! Thank you!
Well, its quite a relief, I think Rich was probably in the same gang with Ren and he died because they were fighting someone else and Rich died, Ren made it. Else if Ren was really a killer, he should be in jail.
Awwww, that was super! wish there was more another month to go! this will be the death of me! Thank you so much for your hard work and super fast too!! Thanks anaya
Thank you Mechie for the quick translation and hard work!!! It's been sometime since I last posted and i shd say, "I love you!!!!" :D
I think the chapter is very good despite being predictable.. on the bright side, at least most of your predictions are spot on :D and we've finally figured out the past that Ren's been hiding... but, it's too short :(
@Hazy & everyone else i think the next chapter we might see a scene change, probably news about the crash will be quickly reported in the gossip columns. And like what Hazy said, Shou will get to know about it from girls gossiping. Will he confront Kyouko about about her holding Ren's hand from a paparazzi photo?
@Cherry-chi Crack predictions ftw :D
Btw, love both Kyouko's and Ren's expressions from 4th page from last :)
We have no proof that Momose is using a stunt double, and she doesn't really need to have one. I can't imagine a stunt double screaming all the way in a car to top that off. :P
LOL about the stunt double's screaming. That's true. However, I also can't imagine that Director Ogata would go up to the stunt driver, Igarashi-kun, and not ask after Momose if that was Momose in the car with Igarashi-kun.
OMG!!! sooooo exciting thank you mechgouki!!! and duh! kyoko brought him back ^.^ and i am still not getting ren's background story XD who the hell is rick? .... and many questions that still need to be answered but we shall see hehe :]
btw love your new design at the site! it's FABULOUS!
Actually, the original text on pages 12 and 13 is: "———Nara" "ii" "kana" "Rikku ga" "sore wo" "nozomu nara" "ore wa———" "mou———..." <---There's no verb included.
If you read it as: "———If so" "it's fine" "I guess." "If Rick" "wishes" "that" "I———" "soon———..."
does it make more sense?
@Mechgouki
I think the text bridging pages 9 and 10, "———Rikku no" "———kawari ni———" is an echo of the blonde's words, so it should just be "———In place of" "———Rick———" (although this might sound more natural as "———Instead of" "———Rick———")
And the text "Ore ga shineba, ikikaeru no ka...?" around Kuon in page 10 should be "If I die, will he come back to life...?"
I also think the "Rikku ga sore wo nozonderu kara konna ni karada ga kootte iku no ka———...?" on pages 10 and 11 should be "Is it because Rick wishes that, that my body is freezing like this———...?"
Oh, yeah. If you make pages 12 and 13 a spread, then the "———..." under Kuon in the leftmost panel of page 12 will make sense to the reader since it's the continuation of "mou———" on page 13.
It was VERY short.. And most of it is a repeat of the last chapter.. We didnt really learn more about the accident. My guess is that since the woman had said that he should have died instead of Rick that Ren 'became' Rick in order to make up for it? Possibly? I think thats where his Ren character orgiginally came from.. Or do you think my guess is wrong?
Kyoko brought Ren out of his funk as expected. We didnt get to see Kyoko's reaction to his heavenly smile.. And I bet the next chapter is going to be Ren trying to make an excuse for his behavior which scared Kyoko.
My guess is that since the woman had said that he should have died instead of Rick that Ren 'became' Rick in order to make up for it? Possibly? I think thats where his Ren character orgiginally came from.
That's possible, what with the dark hair, especially if the watch does turn out to be Rick's. If Rick had been an actor, it would make sense that Kuon pursues acting in Japan—if the Ren persona was to make up for Rick's death. But how would Kuon's "becoming Rick" connect with Lory's offer to give Kuon a stage and the opportunity to become a better actor than Kuu? If Rick is the reason Kuon got to the point of not being able to move, why would surpassing Kuu be the requirement for Kuon's return to America?
Thank you Mechgouki-san for doing the translation, thank you for the hard work.
It is indeed a bit depressing to see this chapter a bit short. Although it is comforting to see Kyoko managed to pull Ren out of his shocked state, it still did not tell us much.
How I wish that Ren 'woke' up from his shocked state, realizing it is Kyoko's hand and hug her without realizing what is he doing.
Sigh.... Find it frustrating that the story seems dragging. Though I know I should remain hopeful like some of the other fans and continue to wait patiently.
Whenever deciding on words to use, I have to consider the meaning and context of the original language as well, and not just use words just because they sound better.
Nothing in the original text indicated "live".
To be perfectly honest, I think you simply considered what would sound better, and didn't consider what was in the original meaning.
I appreciate your effort, but I have Katherine to advice me on this. Thanks anyway.
Hi Mechgouki! It's my first time to comment, and I just want to thank you for always updating us! More power to ya!
I bet that Rick guy is actually who "Ren" was patterned from. (blonde--> black hair) Sort of like how Nuriko from Fushigi Yuugi and Aya from Weiss Kreuz was. And if it follows the pattern of Hana Yori Dango, Rick is probably alive, in a comatose state or even living "normally" and well some place else while Ren/Kuon is suffering... But of course this is skip beat we're talking about here, so i'm guessing there's more "mystery" and twist to this new story arc.
Would that really have sounded better? I guess it is more accurate in a sense.
I mean, the woman actually says "Please die in Rick's stead", but I changed that to "You should have died in place of Rick."
I think "should have died" would be "shindarou" or "shinda darou". Since she actually uses "shininasai" (not "shinde kudasai"), essentially she orders Kuon to "Die in Rick's stead!" I think that sounds even better—in which case the text bridging pages 9 and 10, "———Rikku no" "———kawari ni———" as an echo of the blonde's words, should be "———In Rick's" "———stead———"
Is "come back to life" more appropriate?
"Ikikaeru" means "revive; recover consciousness; be resuscitated; be brought around; come to (oneself); come around; be restored to life; return [come] to life; rise from the dead." Ikikaeru would apply to Ren recovering from his daze in this chapter. But since both the blonde and Kuon are treating Rick as dead, then "come back to life" or "be restored to life" would be more appropriate given the context. Also, I think "would have lived" would be "ikitarou" or "ikita darou" (not "ikikaeru).
As for page 12 13, aren't the 2 pages totally different in black and white?
Yes, one side is black and the other side is white. BUT if you put the two pages side by side (page 13 on the left and page 12 on the right), you'll see that line after "mou" in page 13 continues into page 12. I think this spread is like the yin-yang in the first page.
Wheres Kijima!?!?!?! KIJIMA!!?!!?!? i seriously want kijima in there!!! >:O it;d be fun to get Ren jealous when he sees Kyoko catures Kijima's attention!!!
this chap is boring! but at the same time interesting! get to show more of Ren's(kuon's) past!!
WOW, that was sooo great! i knew kyoko would be the special person that rescues him. but this gave me such a warmhearted feeling to actually see it like that. i'm curious to how this will go on. will they notice that she was the only one to whom he reacted? thank you so so much for posting this! i'm already looking forward to the next chapter!
-December 4 -4th of December -12/4 -21 days before Christmas -Several birthdays
*(But Mechie-Mechie is most likely gonna get the chapter out earlier)
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She looks like Kanae, because Kanae always has this murderous look in her eyes! LOL!
No wonder they look so familiar!
Wheres Kijima!?!?!?! KIJIMA!!?!!?!?
He's somewhere in the crowd of staff members... I think we might find Waldo too.
For some reason (tiredness probably) when I read this I thought it said RenxKyoko strip tease...my bad! LOL I can't imagine Kyoko doing that though.Ren? I wish!!
If that did happen, I'd think I'd stumble into the wrong manga.
Anika said... So last chapter I was really on the edge of my seat oh well bed cause I'm lying while reading... ANYWAY... for the last 8 chapters before this i waited 5 months before i read those 8 chapters and chapter 165 left me feeling soooo what's the word, um, um, unsatisfied i guess? incomplete? anyway i know you guys know the feeling and i'm really waiting for this chapter and checking to see if it's out... the chapter is now enough to last me for a long time... cause there are no cliff hangers and somehow it's enough for me so now i'm going to wait for a 6 months or maybe even a year before i read again because i want to continuously read... Skip Beat is the ONLY manga that i faithfully follow and I love it soooooooooo much.... Thank you mechgouki for this I was dying for this chapter and before I read it I was really ecstatic and excited... Really great job!!!
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I'm so glad! I had a really bad day today at school. And I just learned that this chapter was out and I found that you already translated it. You are amazing!!! Anyway, many thanks!!! You have uplifted my spirit.^^
Thank you so much for this chapter! I could'nt stop from wanting more than this, this one was really short *sob* and only in another month there will be a release, this is killing me *sob sob* -taninha-
HI Mech, I'm Aris, thank you for posting the chapter XD!!!! I was thinking of what some people might already have commented here. While I was reading I noticed that the watch Ren wears is Rick's watch (you can see in one of the pages), and although I have already thought that the way Rick dresses is alike Ren's, now I'm almost sure that "Ren" was created from Rick. Kyoko once said that Ren never uses something that belongs to him while acting another character. Probably the watch is a reminder and a "bond", and that would explain why Kuon can't be himself and why he can't love as he is/ from where he is standing now (going back to that time he didn't want to fall in love). Probably that was his way to "pay up" or attonish what he thinks may have resulted in Rick's death. Of course there is more to "REN" than only this reason. Another reason to create "REN" is so that Kuon can surpass his father (that would explain why Rory once said that this wish means he didn't give up on life yet, and is still Kuon). I don't think that "Ren" personality is based only on Rick, for what we know of Kuon, and what we watched the president and Kuu say about Kuon makes us see that "Ren" has a lot of Kuon in him. Although the story may appear like it's moving slow, in truth it's respecting the rythim. Brake through a character trauma and make him change in the process, and manage other characters to change with him requires time, specially if you want this to make sense in and out the story (for the others characters and the readers). About next chapter... it's quite difficult to guess cause Nakamura-sensei can skip some scenes or just show everything that happens next. Once again, thank you for this chapter!
oh!! thanks for the scans, as always a great help!!!! what is sensei doing the chapters are to short its killing me I want to know more!!!! wow ren its scary!!! well Thanks again for the scan as always you deliver ands provide us with the juicy story!!!
I was reading the FH comments and because of the speculation given rise by your use of "suffer," I have to point out that on page 8, the first balloon ignores the "konna me ni" and that "awanakatta" is the past tense. I think If only you didn't exist, then Rick wouldn't have to suffer! should be "If only you didn't exist, then Rick wouldn't have suffered something like this!"
Meeting you,has cost Rick his life!! First, the comma after "you" is ungrammatical. Next, I think it's more accurate as "If only he hadn't met you," "Rick would have escaped death!!" (or it might sound more natural as "If only he hadn't met you," "Rick wouldn't have died!!")
You are so great for going out of your way to do this for us! Thank you so much! You are the bestest! P.S. this chapter was very awesome; even though it was really short...
I disagree on page 8. Wouldn't have to suffer is a past tense too. The key word with the past tense is "wouldn't", not "suffer".
So you're saying there's a discussion of my scanlations somewhere else? Jeez, why couldn't they discuss here instead, where I can easily address any issues?
Wouldn't have to suffer is a past tense too. The key word with the past tense is "wouldn't", not "suffer".
By that logic, "would have to suffer" is past tense since "wouldn't have to suffer" is just the negation of that. Grammatically speaking, "would" is for the presumptive form, not past form. "Would have to suffer" is present presumptive; "would have suffered" is past presumptive.
So you're saying there's a discussion of my scanlations somewhere else?
They're just discussing the story and speculating on implications.
Thank you again mechgouki-san for the scans i waited long for this,so so long~ but should i be happy with the chapter ending like that?! i have no idea but still that was great,you're awesome kyoko-chan~ its messed up that it will be like a month before the new chap,that sucks! oh, i think the is like the prelude to what will happen to kyoko and ren in the future this will play part with their releationship i think:)
XD SO good! HOw are you so super fast at getting these up? THANK YOU, thank you, thank you!!!! Such a good chapter!! Whoever said that kyoko had to touch him, gets 50+ bonus prediction points! good call!
Both sentences are in past tense. Even though the second uses the word "go".
It takes more than just one word to determine whether the sentence is past tense or not. I mean, you can't say "He had to went to the party."
You are looking at the word "suffer" by itself. Try looking at "to suffer" as the phrase. If I use "suffer" alone, and not "to suffer", then I'm wrong. But I used the latter.
As for being presumptive, the situation involves looking at a possibility of something not happening. So I honestly don't see it as inappropriate here.
And, I thought "Will have to suffer" is present presumptive, not "Would"?
Both sentences are in past tense. Even though the second uses the word "go".
Yes, those are past tense. Now include "would" in the sentence. He would have gone to the party. (past presumptive) He would have to go to the party. (present presumptive)
As for being presumptive, the situation involves looking at a possibility of something not happening. So I honestly don't see it as inappropriate here.
It's not that the presumptive form is inappropriate; it's that you said the present presumptive is past presumptive: Wouldn't have to suffer is a past tense too. "Would" and "wouldn't" are not past tense.
And, I thought "Will have to suffer" is present presumptive, not "Would"?
"Will, could, would, should, shall, may, might, ought" when used to express conjecture are all presumptive. "Will have to suffer" is also present presumptive; "will have suffered" is it's past presumptive phrasing.
Dec 4 !@#$% another long wait but as for me Xbox Kinnect will come out in two weeks plus all the christmas release video games so the times gonna fly by, but I wonder sometimes if i die of old age waiting for SB chapters?. i know I will waiting for the badly translated volumes. T24
I feel like I wasted my life waiting for this chapter, what a disappointment. It feels like we got nowhere with this chapter. But I really appreciate all the work you put into this thanks!!!
I think I understand what you mean. But I still don't agree.
I was not clear on present presumptive, so I did a brief search, and it showed me this. Present Presumptive- He will, or must be coming Past Presumptive- He will, or must have come
Neither of which seems to be similar to what I used or what you suggested.
Regardless, "Would" is most definitely 100% a past tense. "Will" would be the present tense. There is no argument about this.
In any case, this is all really besides the point. The only tense that I am looking at is "would". As far as I am concerned, "He will not have to suffer," is incorrect for this situation, and "He would not have to suffer," would be correct.
As for "suffer" itself, look at it this way. He wouldn't have to go. He wouldn't have gone.
What's the difference here? Both statements are not the same of course. But the meaning is the same. Going is not necessary.
He wouldn't have to suffer. He wouldn't have suffered.
Different structures, same end result.
Even though the original meaning is in past tense, the meaning is still that this state would not have happened.
Which is why I will still stand firm on what I used. The sentence I chose is correct.
aawwww.... this a such a nice advance birthday present for me...
Thanks so much for the oh so fast update!!! I'm really glad that Kyoko was the one to get him out of that awful nightmare... And with just one touch too... kyaaahhhh!!! I'm so excited for the next chapter... oh and did you see how heavenly and breathtaking his smile was? and he was talking to her as if they were the only one in the world and as if he wasn't frozen like a lifeless mannequin a second ago... Now everyone will know he has feelings for Kyoko and that they have a deep connection with each other because only Kyoko could wake Ren up from his worst nightmare.. Hallelujah!!!! Whoohoooo!!! I AM JUST SOOOOO FREAKING HAPPY...
thank so much for 'translate' it.. ur the best, gambatte ^o^b
I'm curious too, why nick's girlfriend blame it to ren not the driver, must be some other story behind that accident....
I want bond between ren <3 kyoko gone deeper n everyone who look them accept it!!
I think the next story; both of them continue they shoot n the president who heard what happen on that accident very happy becs. it must be what president want!!!! ^o^v
Ahh i just came home for a 7 hr dance practice. You have no idea how nice it was to come home to a new skip beat chapter. THANKS FOR BEING SO FAST! <3 ahh we have to wait a whole month before the next ch comes out. Bummer :(
THANK YOU!! Great start into the days ,thanks to you XD I am relieved to see that kyoko could have helped Ren, maybe he realize that he can forget about all ,with kyoko at his side!! ..cant wait for the next chapter!!!!!!!! You are great mechgouki :3
I can't believe i missed reading it on my birthday! Anyways, thanks again for your speedy work <3
Oh, and by the way.. nubs would stay nubs.. you've done your part, so they just have to do their own. And since they don't, you don't have to bother with reminding them >.< (hope you know what i'm referring to :/)
Regardless, "Would" is most definitely 100% a past tense. "Will" would be the present tense. There is no argument about this.
I see now where the misunderstanding comes in. Yes, "would" is the past tense of "will." However, grammatically speaking, "would" in the sentence If only you didn't exist, then Rick wouldn't have to suffer! is a modal (an auxiliary verb) that combines with a main verb to suggest possibility. According to The Writer's Digest Grammar Desk Reference, on their own, modals do not have a tense. "Past tense can be created by adding have before the past participle of the main verb" (p.24). "To suffer" is not past participle, therefore "wouldn't have to suffer" is present tense or future tense.
Also, as I wrote earlier, you're ignoring the "konna me ni".
Your reading: If only you didn't exist, then Rick wouldn't have to suffer! implies a present/ongoing suffering or a future occurrence.
My reading: If only you didn't exist, then Rick wouldn't have suffered something like this! limits the suffering to the accident (something like this), which already happen.
Phew, what a relief, Kyoko pulled him through. But the words for next chapter are still ominous :( and we have to wait another whole month for it! Oh, agony!
@Mechgouki: Thanks for your reply :) You've shown much maturity in your translation by taking into accounts the context, not just the meaning and words :D
When I was reading between page 12 and 13, the sentence was disconnected, so naturally I will try to fill in the gap to make sense of the whole context.
So the first word that comes into mind is "live". Another is "fight"
Konna me ni means "like this" if I'm not wrong. I can still add it to "He wouldn't have to suffer like this", and it still would still be correct, right?
Any way, you are still missing out on what I said. The end result is still the same.
Not having to start the process is the same as not having to go through the process. The result is the same.
While I was doing the scanlation, I felt that not having to start was probably a stronger, more suitable case.
I don't see how this implies a future occurrence, to be honest. Nothing in the lines "wouldn't have to suffer" suggested that.
I personally think the best song suitable for Kyouko is "I will survive". Much of the lyrics is similar to her situation, to the point that I wondered if the author got inspiration from this song.
I am now thinking, would "What do you want from me" be the song most suitable for Shou?
I was initially thinking of "Killing me softly with his song".
You are undoubtedly the awesomess person in the whole world.. thanks for translating this chapter!! ^^,
So we get a gist of what Ren experienced in the past.. It would seem that Rick was Ren's friend and they were involved with somekind of dangerous thing and Rick died to protect Ren or something in that manner.. and that stupid girl went on blaming Ren because of her frustrations.. (still vague.. I wonder when we'll get the whole past)
..and of course. expected. Only Kyouko could save Ren from that.. Not much happened this chapter but still I'm grateful for it.. It's better than having no update at all..
Mechgouki thanks so much for the fast scans. This just made my friday better. I so don't like this cliff hanger I want them to hug or something after all this craziness.
... the drawings are a Twincy! Wincy! bit different!!! :/ lol just saying :P thought it would be interesting to know even if you cant tell if its a tincy wincy bit differeent -.-;; lol
OMB!!* How many times must i remind you? YOU ARE TOO LOVED! Just wanted to remind you. But you already know that, don't you? ;D WOULD write a prediction, but i just HAD to comment first before reading it, cause i know how much you love comments. C: Anywayys, imma go read your awesomeness of scanlations. THANK YOU VERY MUSCH!! ;D, iCHU~!
EH EH! It's me! I think iCHU~! is confusing so imma change to iDUMPLINGZ. ;D Just finished reading your wayy too awesome scanlations. Not your fault but...IM PISSED. D:< WTF Im really dissapointed in Nakamura Yoshiki. REALLY got my hopes going up mann. But BUT, a hand squeeze wakes him up??!?!? Well, that was NOT NICE. Not cliche, but i was hoping for so romance, no? WHY YOSHIKI?!?! WHY?! BS. Just...full of BS. ; ^;
Thank you Mechgouki once again for the super fast scanlations! I just wish there was more of an explaination to why Kyoko brought Ren out of his shock instead of a cliff hanger. o wells, we'll just have to find out in the next release. ^_^ Lain
I forgot: @ Aris: Thanks for the insights! I totally didn't notice the watch thing and was feeling this chapter was moving kinda slow until u pointed out how there's a need for rhythm and story pacing to ensure the story seems relatistic. Thanks! Lain
Sofia had a good point, people might think that Kyoko is ‘some random high school girl’ that isn’t Kyoko. Kyoko might get wind of the rumors about Ren possibly being involved with a mysterious high school girl. Being the totally oblivious girl she is, she’ll probably assume it’s the same high school girl that Ren mentioned to Bo (which in itself is a correct assumption) but she’ll still be clueless that it her. She wants to be happy for them, but doesn’t know why she can’t. Since she makes this somewhat reasonable connection in her head, she tries distancing herself, at least personally, from Ren (which isn’t really difficult, she has it in her head that they aren’t anything more than sempai and kohai). Way to exacerbate the issue, Kyoko… :-P
Unless Ren makes his intentions more clear to Kyoko in the next chapter(s)!
My guess on the two women by the car was the Grandma and Mother whose (grand)son ran in the street. But a clothing check doesn’t seem to match.
A weird thing I’m getting vibes about is what Rick wants Kuon/Ren to do. Is Ren entertaining the idea Rick wanted him dead instead of him? And if that’s the case, why does Ren sound so dejected yet accepting of this? Well, whatever it is that Ren thinks Rick wants him to do, Ren intends to do it soon. All the darkness makes me feel like he’s thinking suicide is an option. (No, Ren! How can Kyoko love you if you’re dead?!) Does anyone else have an idea on this?
Thank you so very much, mechgouki, for posting this so quickly. I really do appreciate it. You are the only one I can find who updates so consistantly. Anticipation builds enough just watching for the newest chapter to release in Japan and it is kind of you to put in the time to translate it and have it ready to share so soon, letting us continue the story with no extra waiting. This story is worth being patient for, but I love that I can hop on this site and here it is, the same day I had circled on my calendar. Thank you again so much and thank you also to the person who prepares the raws (chinglan, thank you). Yukijorou
No. I really REALLY don’t. Maybe if Shou becomes more mature and comes to realize how important Kyoko truly is to him and properly acknowledges all the wrongdoings he’s committed against her, then maybe. A BIG maybe.
I just CAN’T see Shou saying to Kyoko that she’s ‘beautiful and there’s nothing wrong with you’ any time soon, and I can’t see him willingly admitting that ‘he’s a freak’. He’s still too immature and arrogant for that.
To me, Lambert’s song is about the person acknowledging his uncertainty and his flaws, and yet at the same still wanting to be with the girl he loves. And on that note, I think the song actually suits Ren much more. Now let me try to explain/interpret the song from Ren’s point of view:
Hey, slow it down, whataya want from me? Whataya want from me? Yeah I’m afraid, whataya want from me? Whataya want from me?
(Hey, slow it down. Don’t move too fast or you’ll scare her away. Think of what she’d want instead of yourself. Yes, I’m afraid. Afraid of losing you. Afraid of loving you so one-sidedly, of being rejected by you if I ever confess to you, of your reaction to me if you ever find out who I really am and all the things I’ve done)
There might have been a time when I would give myself away Oh, once upon a time, I didn’t give a damn But now, here we are, so whataya want from me? Whataya want from me?
(Back in the past, I wouldn’t have minded going out with any girl who’d ask me. I’d give myself away. But now that you’re in my life, I can no longer bring myself to do that. Instead, what do I have to make you see me and accept me as a man?)
Just don’t give up I’m workin it out Please don’t give in, I won’t let you down It messed me up, need a second to breathe Just keep coming around Hey, whataya want from me? Whataya want from me? Whataya want from me?
(Despite the hurt you’ve suffered in the past which is making you unwilling to open your heart once more, please don’t give up on the notion of love. Please don’t give in to the part of yourself that wants to throw love away, because I’m here now, and I won’t treat you like he did. Every time I see you, you mess me up - I can’t breathe because you take my breath away. It happens every time.)
Yeah, it’s plain to see that baby you’re beautiful And there’s nothing wrong with you] It’s me, I’m a freak but thanks for lovin’ me Cause you’re doing it perfectly
(Yes, despite what anyone else might think, you’re beautiful and there’s nothing wrong with you. Instead, it’s me who’s full of ugliness and darkness inside. In spite of that, thanks for loving me when I was Corn, and thanks for loving me now even if it’s only as your respected sempai)
Yeah, there might have been a time When I would let you slip away I wouldn’t even try But I think you could save my life
(Yes, once upon a time I wouldn’t have cared who you were and just let you fade away. But having experienced the joy you bring to my life and the good that only you can draw out in me, I can’t help but try to be worthy of you).
Just don’t give up I’m workin’ it out Please don’t give in, I won’t let you down It messed me up, need a second to breathe Just keep comin around Hey, whataya want from me (Whataya want from me) Whataya want from me (Whataya want from me)
(Please don’t give up even before I get the chance to try. My life’s complicated, but I’m trying to work it out right now. Please give me a chance, I won’t hurt you like he did. Every time I see you, you mess me up – I can’t breathe because you take my breath away and it happens every time. Hey, what do I need to do to make you see me? To make you open up your heart again?)
etc….
Now, after my explanation, who here thinks that the song suits Ren more instead of Shou? XDDDDD
Hmm,@mechie, I think What Do You Want From Me does kinda of suit Shou.But after reading p's comment its does more of apply to Ren...>< and I dont think that I Will Survive suits Kyoko... I was think more of the song Brick By Boring Brick by Paramore? bernice:P
Well, when I read they lyrics, I was thinking of someone, who actually didn't care about his woman very much. Took her for granted all the way, until right now, where he actually cares for her.
He asks "What do you want from me", but that is actually not a challenge like it sounds. He's actually asking her what she wants.
Kyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa It was just totally awesome *Kyoko appears* and bamm Ren is back Ohhh god that face of Ren was totally priceless *Ren sees Kyoko > Ren shines* kyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Ne, Mechgouki san. Do you think they will bring up Ren's present in the next chap.
It'll most probably be like:
Kyoko comforted him and developed their relationship. He goes home and sees her present. Then the author shows the part where Kyoko reminds him to open it after he goes home. Curiosity got the better of him so he opened it. It was something handmade and he invited Kyoko over the next day to thank her for everyting she had done.
@Unevilgirl... well.. in my previous post, I mentioned that those 2 women by the car were probably Momose-san and Oohara-san.. the grandma and mother of that boy wouldn't be there, they would be with the by-standers/ spectators, nobody other than the casts and crews are allowed near the site and shooting area. that's why they have people watching and blocking people from trying to come over (remember Box-R director at the beginning who had to ask Kyoko to let him in??) he was stuck at the by-standers area and can't go forward.. which makes sense, they just can't let public get into the shooting area, it's celebrities over there, don't want them to get fan-mobbed while busy filming and while in that kind of conditions.
about Kyoko's misconception of herself being reported as some random high school girl because people didn't recognize her.. well, it's possible. However, I want to point out that in regards to that "High School Girl" that Ren ever mentioned to Bo before.. how many times did it come out in the manga? Once or twice during the time Ren consult with Bo about love when he was stuck at Katsuki's role (over 100 chapters ago??LOL)
Bo said he had what is called a "Prelude to love" just because he thinks a girl is cute or pretty and he thinks about the girl sometimes.. I assume that is what Kyoko mean as "a little crush" like beginner crush, not really "in-love" yet. Well, we all know that Ren's resolve has changed about Kyoko and he wanted her now (somewhat still at a snail pace), but Kyoko doesn't know that. To Kyoko, Ren never pursued the relationship with that girl, it stayed at a beginner crush level, and thus was never mentioned anymore (at all) in the manga. And this is Kyoko we're talking about, if a full-blown love like she had for Sho (or so she thought before she was dumped) make her think that love is a type of illusion trick by the brain (she said that herself, during Valentine's arc), because she doesn't believe that love is ever real, and those girls buying chocolates for their beloved boyfriend or boys they think they loved were all tricked by their brains (LOL), then for what reasons would she ever think that 'little' crush Ren had would still be the same after so long (it's been months after all). She probably think such a feeling would be gone already, since he didn't seek out that girl to solve his Katsuki problem, just Kyoko ad-libing as Mizuki was enough to help him that time. Isn't that why the topic of the other 'high school girl' was never mentioned by Kyoko (not even come out in her mind/thoughts)?
Honestly, topics of that 'other high school girl that Ren loved' according to Kyoko, only came out in fanfics.. LOL.. in manga, Kyoko never think (even once) that Ren actually 'Loved' that girl..just a 'prelude to love', and only think about that during that one time conversation Ren had with Bo. so, my point is, if a news about Ren with a high schooler ever reported in Japan, I'm wondering if Kyoko would even think of that 'girl' he mentioned before, or she might think it's someone else?? Like I said, it's possible that she might think it's the same girl.
Any way, you are still missing out on what I said. The end result is still the same.
Not having to start the process is the same as not having to go through the process. The result is the same.
First, if you can't understand the difference between present tense (in which case Rick is still alive and the blonde should be shouting things like "Dareka tasukete!" and "Rikku shikkarishite shinanaide kudasai!") and past tense (in which case Rick is already dead and she can't do anything else but blame Kuon), there's no point belaboring the issue.
Am I talking to a stupid brick wall?! Why isn't anyone replying?!
I said "What do you want from me" may be a suitable song for Shou! Why the hell is no one replying to that?
Second, I was out all day yesterday doing banking and handling family stuff. Then my brother and I got caught up discussing contingency measures in the event of a car hijacking on the way home from the airport (apparently there's a gang around here that's gotten notorious for that MO lately and we're going to the airport twice this month). Ahem. But I digress. Anyway, I'm dead tired, come back online and see this. If you're going to get abusive in the meanwhile, I might as well spare myself some aggravation and not keep up with the comments here.
Anyway, about that song. I don't think I'm familiar with it. No tune came to mind even after P posted the lyrics. However, I don't think it applies to Shou since he doesn't care what Kyouko wants. He hasn't gotten to that point. With him, everything is still "Me, me, me, MINE!" The only guy who's thought "What do you want from me" in relation with Kyouko is Ren and that was just before his Katsuki acting test and he was wondering if she was trying to seduce him. So, no, I don't think it applies to Shou because he doesn't see that he'd let Kyouko down in the first place. However, I don't think it quite applies to Ren, either, since he doesn't (yet) believe that Kyouko loves him.
Well, when I read they lyrics, I was thinking of someone, who actually didn't care about his woman very much. Took her for granted all the way, until right now, where he actually cares for her.
He asks "What do you want from me", but that is actually not a challenge like it sounds. He's actually asking her what she wants.
That was why I got this idea.
Hm...interesting. I never thought of the song like that.
Since the tone of him singing sounds like he's yelling at someone rather than asking them what they want. (Mainly at the end though...)
But I guess it all comes down to different perspectives for different people. :3
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@Kat:
It's ok. *pat* *pat* Me and the wall feel the same way, too, when he acts like that...
Now I feel like hugging you. May I? :D
(...I'm gonna look stupid hugging my laptop... Virtual hug? I guess? ^^;)
Oh! And... Here you go and enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjN-0hDLUqY
Thanks for the hug and the link. =) For some strange reason, YouTube blocked the video but if this video with a pouty, prettyboy musician http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1Fqn9du7xo is the same, I guess I can understand why Mechgouki thought of Shou. But it's the video that made the connection for me, not the song's lyrics.
If we're talking music, "Nemo" by Nightwish reminds me of Kyouko during the post-Shou period up to the end of the Ring Doh arc. For those not familiar with the song, it's this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80kOBeMEm2I
First, if you can't understand the difference between present tense (in which case Rick is still alive and the blonde should be shouting things like "Dareka tasukete!" and "Rikku shikkarishite shinanaide kudasai!") and past tense (in which case Rick is already dead and she can't do anything else but blame Kuon), there's no point belaboring the issue.
To further clarify this, I'll like to point out that it was not my decision to have this exchange expanded into this into a full-scale literature debate. I, for one, had already settled for the fact that both choices are viable, I simply picked one. As far as I'm concerned, the choice that I picked isn't wrong.
You constantly insist to me that it is a mistake. I have read every word you've written, and listened carefully. And I'm sorry to say that I still do not agree.
Most of the time, my translations are not as accurate as yours. And yes, this is one of those times. I made a decision to use and keep the original one I had, because I believe it is just as viable.
I know you think I'm wrong. But I hope you can at least, understand that I have a reason to think I am right. If you really think that's enough for this issue, then let's not discuss this one again.
Second, I was out all day yesterday doing banking and handling family stuff. Then my brother and I got caught up discussing contingency measures in the event of a car hijacking on the way home from the airport (apparently there's a gang around here that's gotten notorious for that MO lately and we're going to the airport twice this month). Ahem. But I digress. Anyway, I'm dead tired, come back online and see this. If you're going to get abusive in the meanwhile, I might as well spare myself some aggravation and not keep up with the comments here.
I apologies for making you feel that the rant I wrote was in any way directed at you. It wasn't targeted at you personally. In fact, it wasn't targeted at you in general as well.
I posted a message about my opinion of the song. When I saw that people who had posted after me, totally ignored what I said, I couldn't stand it.
It's perfectly understandable why you're peeved. As you can see, I have some things which I find very hard to tolerate too.
If there's anything I can't stand more than being ignored, it is to show me that I'm ignored.
I'm sorry if I offended you. But sometimes I just have to get loud and in people faces if I want to be heard.
Hm...interesting. I never thought of the song like that.
Since the tone of him singing sounds like he's yelling at someone rather than asking them what they want. (Mainly at the end though...)
But I guess it all comes down to different perspectives for different people. :3
I believe that was the idea. Throughout the song, he says "what do you want from me" to the girl, like an impatient remark. But as you hear the song, you realize that it isn't what it sounds like.
I believe that was kind of the idea. He doesn't know how to show affection, show he does it in the only way he knows, like an irritated remark.
Anyway, as odd as it sounds, my favorite Adam Lambert song is Mad World. Does anyone else find that choice a little odd? :P
- Aris Hm... I agree with ~p, the song really suits Ren from that perspective. Thank you ~p, the song sounds just so sweet now XD.
Oh yes, when you mentioned the song Mech, I remembered something about Sho... there was a chapter in which it says that Sho wrote a love song that would come out in dec 25 (kyoko's b-day), but in the end that wasn't mentioned again. Because of that I thought "Oh he grew up", but that thought only last until v-day _ _'''...
About Kyoko thinking of the "other girl", what worries me now is that she starts to think that the feeling of love she has for Ren it's just a consequence of acting Setsu, like what happened towards Kuu when she acted Kuon, and when she acted Mizuki. Hopefuly the author will have mercy on us XD.
Reaction to more posts in the past days: Oh, I think Kyoko definitely KNOWS she is in love with Ren, but she forbade herself to admit it. And about the "other highschool girl", Kyoko maybe doesn't know if Rens feelings are very strong, but she definitely believes in a big love - she just doesn't believes it can come to HER anymore.
Had Sho really written some lovesong to go out on 25th? If so, then my prediction is: Ren will feel his love interests are in danger. Kyoko will go on as it is true, but in the end (of the manga?) we will see it was just a mistake - after she went through so much, she changed her mind about Sho and she does not want any revenge, but as well has no other interests in him, she sees him just like a stupid childhood friend who fell in love too late and is sorry for him.
yeah... it's super short. we knew kyoko is ren's charm, so she is the only who can bring ren back to normal. but in this chapter we knew new thing about ren's past. can't wait for the next chapter
My theory for why the comments have suddenly died is because we have so long to wait that everyone's just in a hibernating state and not checking as often as normal (or maybe that's just me...?).
Anyways, I agree with ~p about the song. I think that it represents Ren better than Shou. But I can see if either way. It all depends on how you hear it and everyone will hear it differently.
I don't remember Kyoko giving Ren a present prior to this chapter aside from the Xmas and v-day presents. Can anyone remind me when she gave this new present?
Mandie: I think if there is a talk about presents, it has to be the birthday present, which Kyoko gave Ren on V-day, because he has not unpacked it and we have not seen what is it. But we know Kyoko was embarassed more times about it (it was something not-brand, and second maybe because she thought it a bit silly or personal). We know she ordered it (or something to create it).
DAMN! this is the fourth time now! i keep on reading this chapter over and over again! >.< im just so excited for the next chapters that im readin this chap(166) again! :S
i got to stop and take a break! somebody take this computer away from meee!!!! >.<
I thought that the glass that the wine jelly was in was his birthday present... and the wine jelly itself was the valentines present? Maybe I'm just crazy.
It seems like the chapters keep getting shorter and shorter, and a lot more suspenseful! It seems like forever between chapters, and then they end up being so short!! What a shame! But this chapter was great... Now time to wait again... Thanks Mechgouki for all of your work! ~Rachel
I don't know... Cause she already gave him her gift in the morning or earlier time
than it was lunch
than she gave him the wine jelly I doubt she would ask him to take out her gift to be used.. Now I'm sure that would be a little rude... And since she asked him to open it in a personal place I doubt he would have opened it already since they are still on set...
does that make sense?
But I hope Nakamura-sensei remembers to add it in.. don't let it be forgotten... .-.
I am convinced that the Bday present is going to be one of those major mind fcuk moments and will be revealed after all this memory/trauma hooplah and is the lucky charm that will wash away Rens doudbts and fears about his love for Kyouko. T24
Yes, I agree. The present should be unpacked later in the story, and it shows Ren that he should drop all his doubts, because Kyoko is THE ONE. I am sure it must be something very symbolic, like a doll with her shape, or something alike.
Wow, thank you so much, I was so busy with learning that I didn't noticed that there is a new chapter up. Thanks for that awesome translation. I'm curious what happens next :D
Ehm... Mechgouki-kun? Would I be too demanding, if I express the wish to read another small part of the PS2 story? I know you have not enough time, being in the new work and so on, but this is what would definitely make the comments grow... *wink wink* Please please if there is just a small possibility, make the waiting for another SB episode lighter for us.
I also think that a small addition to the PS2 story would be nice, but not necessary if you don't have time. :3
@Mitsuki
Yeah, that explanation makes sense. I really couldn't see her asking for him to bring out his present. And I reeeally hope that if the birthday present is still yet to be opened, it's not going to be left out... though I doubt it will. When Nakamura-sensei didn't show Ren watching Kyoko in the promo clip, I think I remember reading that a lot of readers wanted to know his reaction, so she put it in later.
Do they have the approval of Mechgouki to release his translation? Well, at least there is his name on the scans, but it is sad how everyone thinks he can use the work of others without saying as little as "please" and "thanks".
Only one thing left to do.
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finally, couldn't wait for this one :)
ReplyDeletethanks
only one comment after I've read the chapter:
ReplyDeleteaww XD
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
ReplyDeleteT_T
This chapter is supper short T_T
and we have to wait soooooo long T_T
I want to read more T_T
Thank u mechgouki u r supper fast
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
ReplyDeleteI want to cry
what it this !!
we Waited for sooooooo long
and in the end that is all !!
aaaaaaaaaah I want more more more more that isn't enough
it's so short + and it's so expected there is nothing new in it !!
we all know that this would happened
Nakamura sinsi we are so disappointed
mechgouki as Always your the best ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
supper supper supper supper supper fast
thank you ♥
when is the next is out ? is it really in the 4 of December !!!!!
this long ?
Thanks for your great work :D
ReplyDeleteIt's warm to see Kyoko woke Ren up~
Kyaaaaaaaaaaaa
ReplyDeleteYOU ROCK you posted it so early!! didn't expect it (the time and the plot) !! Awesom Thanks a lot ^o^
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!
ReplyDeleteI KNEW IT! I KNEW ONLY KYOKO COULD HELP REN OUT OF HIS FUNK! Go Kyoko! I hope she can always be by Ren's side.
I just wish the chapter wasn't so short. I'm dying to know what happens next. (Though, I do love that director from BoxR. I think he's hilarious. xD)
Thank you!
Omg.. thank you so much :D so fast ^^ i was checking it hourly till my internet gave up on me >.> it juz came back and i was so glad that it did ^^ YAY for a new chapter, thx so much mechgouki~
ReplyDeletei lol'ed at the director :D:D:D i wonder how did kyoko gain access to 'touch' ren? did yashiro help? :X
rick's gf is a b****h >.> and this chapter ending is juz so sweet ^^
bah... one mth to go... *sighs and resigned to entertain ownself till next mth*
My sweet God, this was awesome! Almost two days earlier, Mechgouki, thank you so much! And sweet dreams.
ReplyDeleteShiroyuki-chyn, you surely have to have a connection to Nakamura sensei, you told it! I mean, what is happening with the blood after Kyoko touched Ren. Awesome. I am looking forward to your next prediction. :-)
OMGOMGOMG!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteohhh.....its heart-warming...i hope Kyoko realize her feeling towards ren soon..hmm..whats the other guy name the one that wake up from his seat when kyoko first went to see ren? he saw kyoko..new rival comes?lol
thank mechgouki for the hardwork^___^
Awwwwww....
ReplyDeleteAlthough this was what we all expected (like Sara said) but it's still good to finally get to see it <3 I guess we'll have to wait for the next chapter to see what impact this incident will have on their relationship!!
Oh, I was so happy with the chapter I almost forgot: Thank you sooooo much for uploading the chapter, mechgouki!!!!! I didn't expect it to be out yet at all!!!
- Flo
Kyaa! Not a lot of dialouge to this one, but it was great! I knew it, that Kyoko's warmth would reach Ren. Glad she was able to wake him up, and that it's not really a cliffhanger for once >_>
ReplyDeletethanks for translating as usual, you're the best!
I want to see some progress in the story or Ren/Kyoko relationship, but I also want to know more about Rick and the angry chick. I feel so bad for Kuon -he was just a kid, like 14 (but he looks older) when all this went down, and he's getting blamed for murder. It'd be vehicular manslaughter of the person driving, at worst.
Oh wow, really nice chapter. I loved how the blood disappeared just from her touch!
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ReplyDeleteThanks a lot for this new chapter.. well done and super fast as always...
ReplyDeleteI wanted more..as always..
but in the end it was a real nice chapter...Lory was right ... Kyoko is his lucky charm..he needs her and I guess now he can't deny it any more...
Let's hope that their relationship will progress a little bit after that!!
And now begins another long wait....^^
I just want to say: thank you so much!!!
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OMG by the end of the chapter i was like squealing!!!! i am so excited to see what happens next!!! thank you so much for the fast translation mechgouki!!!
ReplyDeleteoh shii- just another long month till the next chapter i_i
ReplyDeleteBut, but, you're awesome. Thanks for translating!
Noooo! My comment is gone!!! >.<
ReplyDeleteBut Thank you so much for this chapter!
Do you want me to do a little cleanup or anything?
Cause I have some time
But I think that this is a really sweet chapter despite the darkness part of it
There wasn't a lot of words said but I think that the pictures are more than enough to show what's happening
As Kuon is being covered with blood and is being swallowed in guilt and grief
Kyoko simply by calling his name and holding his hand helped him stay and leave that depressing state
I think Nakamura-sensei is showing how literary Kyoko is able to "Wash off the blood" that is on him
But yeah.. Once again Thank you!
:-)))))
ReplyDeleteThank you very much!!!!
begonija
Thank you soooo much for posting. If you didn't, I would be so sad. So thanks for all of your hard work.
ReplyDeleteWow, just what I wanted from this chapter! The sad look on Kyoko's face as Ren comes out of it. I hope she realizes at the very least how much Ren means to her, even if she won't admit it's love yet.
Carrie
I seriously wasn't expecting the chapter so soon but it was awesome. Thank you so much for your fast translation!
ReplyDeleteI have to say that to me it felt like the chapter was just beginning and then it was over. T_T I loved it though. My favorite part was when the blood was dripping off Ren. Ren has to know now that Kyoko's his good luck charm and that he needs her, even if he doesn't want to admit it.
As for the wait, I'm super dumbed. Seems like there are a lot of one chapter a month releases going on lately. Although Thanksgiving is coming up, but do they celebrate that in Japan? December 4th. I shall be waiting....
Thanks again for the translation!
Great Job doing those scans, however it'd be nice if you'd release zip files... or at least got a good online viewer since it's a bit of a pain to read it like that.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the scans
ReplyDeletecan't wait for next chapter but it is a month away!!! :(
- Mahaoui
Mechgouki-kun thank you so much, sleep and rest meanwhile us the fan-girls build altars to worship you, and pry the godess for your well being.
ReplyDeleteThis chapter, left me with a warm and fluffy feeling, with a lot of grafical beauty, even when there was no surprise at all, we all suspected that was going to happen, but it was still good, but still a month wait is going to be hard to endure.
Any good predictions for the next chapter?
Pinkchan 001, XOXO for all the NBKC.
This may be me being a little paranoid, but
ReplyDeleteRick's girlfriend's eyes look kinda like Kanae's.
And why isn't the girlfriend blaming the
driver? He was the one that hit Rick and
made him go fly and jump like that lame
rocket I had.
Unless...there's something else to help
thicken the plot.
Hm....
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Other than these nitpicks, I think this chapter is pretty sweet. It wasn't enough to make me go "D'aww", but still cute and sweet. :3
Boy was I wrong, I thought that Rick's
girlfriend was yelling at the driver.
But nope...
Although Thanksgiving is coming up, but do they celebrate that in Japan?
ReplyDeleteAccording to Wikipedia, yes.
It's on November 23. :3
[EDIT] Before I forget, thank you
ReplyDeleteMechie-Mechie! And congrats on finding
a job! May good luck be with you!
Prediction:
-More RenxKyoko ship tease
-Continuing with the filming of Dark Moon
-Continuing with filming of BoxR
-Ren still gets sent to the hospital
-Ren gets sent to a therapist.
-Ren realizes how much he needs Kyoko and
doesn't fire her from being his lucky charm.
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Crack Predictions:
-Ren finds out Rick's GF ended up in
an asylum for talking and hugging poles and bushes claiming they are "Rick".
-Ren finds out Rick was came back to life as a
zombie for Michael Jackson's music video "Thriller"
-Rick and Rick's girlfriend are actually
brother and sister!
-Rick and Ren were actually wanabe rappers.
Not gang leaders or gang members.
Oh crap, I forgot to add something!
ReplyDeleteOh well, I'll add it here.
Yay for Kyoko magic! 8D
thank you 10000 times...thank you ;p
ReplyDeletenana 002
WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! is all i can say!!!! xD
ReplyDeleteShiva
Thank you Mechgouki!
ReplyDeleteYou are the best!
I wasn't even expecting a new scan up today.
Yes, the chapter's a little short but it does confirm a couple things. First, it shows that Ren and Rick had a strong bond (rather that Ren and the Bond girl)because Ren is wondering what Rick would have wanted. Second, we know now that Ren was definitely involved in some messed up $#!+ (possibly gang related activities). Because even if the Blond girl is evil she couldn't blame Ren unless his actions/presence (no matter how indirect) could be tied to Rick's murder.
I think that at the very least other characters will start to see that Ren and Kyoko have a strong connection. But it will still take Kyoko longer to realize that she feels something for Ren.
:DDDDDD YAAAY!!! A NEW CHAPTER!!! Thank you sooooo much as always for the fast releases ^-^
ReplyDeleteWow! Super fast and quality translating as always mechgouki!! Thank you so much! No suprises this chapter, but grafically speaking, it was very interesting. I like the way art was used to covey the feelings rather than relying on dialogue.
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Did you see Kuon's face when his hand was tugged from nowhere? it's saying "What's happening to my hand!?" No wonder he was pulled out of the darkness.
ReplyDeleteI don't think Lory's going to allow Ren to be sent to a therapist. Kyouko seems to be LME's in-house therapist and Ren's her latest patient. He's gonna spill his secrets to her eventually. But only after he relives them and she's there to pick him up again and again. So sweet. He's going to trust her :)
The Box R director is funny. I was wondering why everyone left him out of the summary.
The Box R co-star chick who came along is probably going to confirm for everyone else on the set that Ren and Kyouko have a mutually close relationship (with a sour face). But the loudmouth director will probably do it first.
So many people witnessed Ren responding only when Kyouko tried, that there is bound to be a lot of gossip surrounding it. Especially with Ren's platonic status until now. It'll probably be in some gossip magazine that Shou's manager is reading and then desperately tries to hide but then Shou hears some girls gossiping about it and then something interesting will happen. In about 20 chapters :(
Thank you for sharing Mecha. I hope your job search is going well.
Also, another comment for Ashton. If you really want Mech to use a good online viewer, make it easy for her and provide one. She does a great job here and we're lucky to get this much :D
And Cherry-chi, as always, I love your crack predictions;)
Hazy
tHANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK....
ReplyDeletesKIP BEAT had a very slow pace in the last few chapters, and this is a slow chapter too, but I think from this point on a lot of things will happen...this is a mile stone in the story (or so I hope...)
thank you for the fast translation
ReplyDeletethis chapter was short but i least he can start to figure out ren past. hopefully next chapter will have more interaction with the caracter.
pam
ps. love ren in blond hair
Mechgouki-
ReplyDeleteThanks so much for always doing such a great job at translating! And so quick, too!!
I can always keep up with my massive Skip Beat addiction thanks to you!
-Emily >.<
I knew it!!!!!!! Go kyoko!!! And we get to see Ren's happy face again :)
ReplyDeleteThank goodness he snapped out of it. But I wonder what will happen now. I mean, he obviously will not tell Kyoko even if she asks, but Lory will find out eventually and he'll probably understand what was wrong. And the paparazzi will no doubt put some huge story about it so maybe even Ren's parents will find out (and no doubt worry).
But, I don't really know. Anything could happen now.
Anywho, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE CHAPTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can't wait for the next one =]
~K
Yay!!! I love SB! but why this chapter is so short... I would like it to have 20 more pages...
ReplyDeleteI can't wait to see next chapter. It'll be nice if it'll show R-box's director face more :D I love interesting characters :p
Maybe I should hibernate and woke up next month... It would be nice - waking up tomorrow and there's 4.12 and release of new chapter.
Maybe I'll dream about Skip Beat! and crazy relationship between Tsuruga Ren & Mogami Kyouko. I hope so ^^
So... I'm going to sleep :P Goodnight, sweet dreams, and thanx a lot for your hard work :*
(sorry for mistakes - not my national language :P)
The Japanese are so effing reserved!
ReplyDeletenot even an embrace after that? Are you kidding me?
Here it is again, the super fast scans. Thank you very much :)
ReplyDeletemechgouki i love you!!!! <3<3<3
ReplyDeleteyou were super fast once again! i didn't expect the release until the day after tomorrow!
great chapter!!! seeing Kyouko waking up Ren was one of the many favorite highlights for me! ^0^
i can't wait for the next chapter. i wanna read more and more and more!!!! T.T
thank you!
Yay~~ Thank You Mechgouki-sannn~~
ReplyDeleteHa~ My prediction was pretty close, I just knew Kyoko would snap Ren out of his darkness~~Kyaaaa~~
I was squealing as I read this <3 <3 I
I think that next chapter there'll be a scene where Ren is having a talk with Takarada-san about what happened during his shoot, and Takarada-san will say "See, Ren, she is your lucky charm. Do you really think you don't need her anymore? Can you still say that?" Then, Ren'll realize how much Kyoko truly means to her, and that she's the key to over-coming his past, like his charm.~~ Kyaaaa!!! I love you Mechgouki-san, Thank you Thank you!! Does anybody know when the next release is? I can't wait, why are the chapters so short??!!
Wow... as expected.. Mechgouki-kun is done with the chapter.. this chapter have more pictures than words, but it's still a good one. It conveyed the message. Thank you so much for the fast scanlation, Mechgouki-kun!! I appreciate it just like everybody else here.
ReplyDelete@Hazy.. Mechgouki is a guy, not a girl.. ^-^
@Ebzenka.. Thanks for the compliment.. I'm glad that my prediction come true as well.. the only difference is that she touched his hand, not his chest.. but I did predicted that her touch clears out the blood stain in his body gradually, and from the point of touch, Kuon could see her hand only, and then slowly see more of her body and her face, then her voice kinda pull him out of the trance.
For next prediction.. hm.. I actually ended up typing this whole prediction up to next 3 chapters into a fanfic and posted it about a week ago.. LOL.. if you want to read it.. here's the link..
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6433424/1/My_Protective_Charm
But that fanfic was based on last chapter.. so I might have to change something in the prediction for the next chapter.
Thanks Mechi, Wow super short but somehow extremely satisfying Ren and Kyokos relationship just got deeper and tons of people saw it I mean Kyoko is right there in the middle of everything people are gonna start talking especially the crew. T24
ReplyDeleteI know I should have done this earlier, but I'm not quite sure how this site works... So I'll just give you my name so that my review won't be that anonymous : I'm Idealess, and I've been reading your scanlations for quite a while now. Thank you so much for being so quick in posting SB! chapters, and for posting the PS2 game summary of the manga!
ReplyDeleteYou rock!
hm.. I noticed something, on pg.3 in this chapter.. those people gathering around the car.. looks like that Ogata (only see his back), and then there're 2 ladies standing behind him.. looks like Momose and Ohara. I wonder where Kijima is..
ReplyDeleteThen after talking to Ogata, it was then Kyoko walked over to Ren kinda said his name and that's probably when Yashiro came over to check on him.. and then Kyoko held Ren's hand and "wake him up". Ogata seemed to have gone calling for ambulance, the 2 ladies (I assume Momose & Oohara) are no longer near the car, and 2 crews came rushing over with a medical box to check on Ren (last page).
Also, apparently Kyoko gained access to be able to stay near the incident site with DM casts and crews because she's part of the cast as Mio.. as the Box-R director commented.. as he asked Kyoko to let him in, looks like he was blocked out along with all the bystanders, by the DM crews who's guarding the area from mobbing fans. That means, Sudo Yuka (Tugumi) who will arrive later (since she was the last to leave and ran slower than Kyoko) probably will only be able to just stand with the bystanders and won't be allowed access as well, she's not part of DM casts after all. Unless she was able to catch Kyoko standing nearby like her director did and asked for access, if not.. she's probably just stuck watching from a far till she had to return to the Box-R set, and ask Kyoko or the Director for more info. But of course, she might see, just like everybody else on site, that Ren and Kyoko seem to have a close relationship.. I'm thinking Ren probably wouldn't let go of Kyoko's hand for a while.. *grins*
I think next chapter.. They will want to take Ren to hospital to make sure he didn't hit his head or something, but Ren will probably said he's fine and that it's not necessary. Do you guys think Kyoko might insist that Ren should go to hospital and Ren would listen to her?? ^-^
I'm not sure if Ogata will allow Ren to resume shooting the car scene if he doesn't go to hospital.. I mean Ren will probably assure him that he could do it.. but I think Ogata might insist on using a stuntman this time for Ren's part of the scene. And of course, Kijima will end up seeing this Kyoko and think she's pretty enough to pursue, and Ren won't be happy with Kijima's reaction.
Aaaahhh! Next chapter is Dec 4th.. so long.. I need to entertain myself till then..
hope that at least by the end of the next chapter 167.. we get to see Ren and Kyoko back at the basement of their hotel, and while Kyoko is getting ready for Setsuka, Ren is with Lory, whom inquired about that day's incident (he would hear about it of course) and also about his decision to kill of Setsu's character (well, Ren already decided that there's no way he could say those cruel words to fire her like Lori suggested anyway), and so Ren would say "you're right President, she's my lucky charm after all, I now cannot live without her." ^-^
whoaaaaaa!!!
ReplyDeletethat was BEAUTIFUL! her voice brought him out of the darness and he came back with a sad yet DAZZLING smile =D
thanks SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much for your speedy scans and translations!! <3 love yo loads!
Shiroyuki mentioned something I wanted to point out.
ReplyDeleteIt starts with Kyoko holding Ren's hand, but in the 3rd to last page, you can see his fingers are curled up around hers now too, so they're actually holding hands. <3
Also, Crack predictions for the win! They were awesome.
Well, I think as well that Ren won't go to any hospital. He will tell he was just shocked or lost in thoughts or something, and he has people to help if he is in troubles.
ReplyDeleteKyoko will not push him to go to hospital, as she is sure she can do it later without anyone hearing it, and after this she will be secretly extremely pleased. As well, she knows he cannot afford to be in hospital while playing Cain, and she thinks she can manage if he has problems. Everybody will guess if the "people" means Yashiro and Kyoko, but they will be surprised as Kyoko bows and takes part and goes back to the "Box R" location (she wants to be free from work as soon as possible).
Kyoko sure stays as Setsuka, but would Ren tell to Lory such warm words? I think not, it will be much less open. He just says something like "I changed my mind, she definitely is usefull".
But... oh please, just a little pillowfight! Maybe not in ch.167, but... for example... in the Christmas chapter? Where Corn's identity is revealed? This would be deffinitely a present to me!
Pillowfight, pillowfight!
Way to go Kyouko!! That will surely be engraved into Ren's heart <3 <3 <3
ReplyDeleteThanks very much for scanlating!!
~Midori
Once again, so little yet so much happened!Also, I didn't think it'd be as easy to revive him as just to hold his hand!!
ReplyDeleteThanks mechgouki!
-mizo
THANK YOU! SOOO MUUCHH! :D
ReplyDeleteYOU ARE AWESOME! :D
THAS SOOOOOO CUTE(: Ren and Kyoko. hehehe
ReplyDelete-Lee
Thank you mechgouki.
ReplyDeleteahhh this chapter was really predictable and short..but cute and nice for me as Ren and Kyoko fan.
i can finally rest in peace now ^_^
Gasp! Nerdgasmn!!! XD
ReplyDeleteThanks mech!
ok predictions for next chapter: you guys remember that promise that Kyoko made Ren Make? The one about not needing the good luck charm, I bet Kyoko is going to bring that up somewhere in the next few chapters.
People will most defenetly start to talk about Ren and Kyoko but people won't recognise kyoko in her Box R clothing so they will refer to her as the mistery girl or something.
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!Love this chapter:D
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Thank you so much again for your harwork Megachoupi!
ReplyDeleteI am really happy about the chapter, how Ren gaze gently at Kyouko, it was priceless!
I don't who is that chick in Ren past but I think she over reacted with jealousy when she shouted at Kuon. We don't really know if Rick really died, I seriously think she over reacted but maybe he really died so that's why Ren cancelled in his self Kuon and become probably "Rick".
I really like how the author show how important some moment are by showing us how the character react because I mean, Kyouko and Ren already held hands but never had showed anything special about it until this chapter.
By Walina
That was quick! Oh, on p.12, you left a "———nara" untranslated in the top right frame.
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hm.. I noticed something, on pg.3 in this chapter.. those people gathering around the car.. looks like that Ogata (only see his back), and then there're 2 ladies standing behind him.. looks like Momose and Ohara. I wonder where Kijima is..
Those two women don't look like anyone we've seen. First, Momose is wearing her hair down and loose (as seen in ch.163), as does her stunt double (ch.164). Ohara wasn't shown on the bus, but her hair also goes past her shoulders. Neither of the two women standing behind Director Ogata have hair like that. The woman with the hood could be the shorter-haired woman who commented on Kyoko's appearance in ch.163, except that her jacket is only waist length, not thigh length. The other woman (without the hood) is apparently shown again in p.22 standing behind Yashiro; if that's one of the two women, her clothes don't match the high neckline and short bolero-style jacket Momose was shown wearing in ch.162 and ch.163.
Also, on p.4, it shows Yashiro (based on his coat) standing by the rear door. I like the implication that he also tried to rouse Ren but failed. It obviously took Kyoko to draw Ren back. =)
~ Katherine
Nothing better than finding a new chapter after a very long day...
ReplyDeleteIn the other hand, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN ANYTHING!!!
And we have to wait until December 4th (my birthday by the way)
sigh... sigh
Thanks for your effort Mech-kun
-aniyeri
First off, THANK YOU MECHGOUKI!!!! yay!
ReplyDeleteRen's reaction to Kyoko makes no mistaking for his feelings towards her. He was very close to slipping away into a permanent traumatized state, his psyche is really more frail than he lets on. It's good that Lory anticipated Ren's needs in the event that something violent may trigger bad flashbacks, but even more fortunate that someone such as Kyoko came into Ren's life. When addressing Ren's lacking talent in Dark Moon, Lory was pointing out that Ren doesn't know how to love. Would Ren have come out of his trauma without Kyoko? Even as Ren builds Kyoko up, she builds him up as well.
I think this arc makes Ren's vulnerabilities more apparent, but the romantic relationship part of SB is dragging. If it's for better character development, then okay.. but it takes a car crash for Kyoko to start treating Ren more than an acquaintance? *facepalm*
maybe it's her strict values on respect, but C'MON!!
Sam
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ReplyDeleteAll I could think was "awwwwwwwwwwwww" =)
ReplyDeleteI love this chapter! And four weeks til the next one >.<
Thank you so much Mech!!!
-Krys
Thanks thanks thanks mechgoukiii!!! You totally rocks!
ReplyDeleteI SUPER AGREE with everyone here. This chapter is waaaayyyy too short! I need more progress, please please pleaseeee... But I'm SO HAPPY to see that it's Kyoko (ONLY!!) who is able to bring Ren to conscious. Uwaaa, I almost screamed even though I'm in class now! Lol. So sweeeettt, the way Ren says "I can hear you, loud and clear".. *faint*
And what's that on the bottom of the pageee??!!! I have to wait for another 1 month??!! *shocked* What's going to happen next?? Well, at least this chapter is not so cliffhanger. But still, I desperately want to see the next progress. Sensei! Please draw FASTER!! :D
Sorry Mech, I didn't know you were a guy and took a gamble with it.
ReplyDeleteHazy
@Sara
ReplyDeleteI'm supper fast?? 0_o
Why not dinner fast, lol.
@Mitsuki
Thanks, but I think the cleaned ones are just released.
http://manga-upload.cz.cc/Skip_Beat/166/1
@Cherri
She looks like Kanae, because Kanae always has this murderous look in her eyes! LOL!
@Ashton
I had released in ZIP files uploaded to megaupload before. Most of my readers prefer viewing on my blog.
Mechi! Sorry for not posting on the last chapter but I was rereading SB at the time. Then just after I finish catching up and check back here this one's up already! Another fast, fluent, coherent and amazing chapter from you! Well done, now you can take a well-deserved rest!
ReplyDelete@Cherry-chi Prediction:
-More RenxKyoko ship tease
For some reason (tiredness probably) when I read this I thought it said RenxKyoko strip tease...my bad! LOL I can't imagine Kyoko doing that though.Ren? I wish!!
@Shiroyuki-chan I read your story!! It was great. The panties scene was hilarious! And considering I was still laughing over my misreading Cherry-chi's comment at the time it had me cracking up. You should definitely continue it though. I want to see them go shopping for more! Yashiro could even follow them! I can so imagine how Yashiro would react the two of them standing there arguing over which ones to buy.
I feel like my heads going to explode from all my fan-girling so I'm gonna take a break and maybe return when I can write coherently.
~MonaElisa
Thank you so much Mech! Have a good rest!
ReplyDelete~Rena
@Katherine
ReplyDeleteDidn't notice that. Now it sorts of screws up my ordering, and I don't know where to add that loose term. :(
We have no proof that Momose is using a stunt double, and she doesn't really need to have one. I can't imagine a stunt double screaming all the way in a car to top that off. :P
Anyway, the last we saw of Momose was her screaming in the car. Where is she? Maybe she hid somewhere to puke? :P
I was wondering, am I the only one that thinks that Rick could still be alive, I mean the girl called Kuon a Killer but we don´t know what happen later maybe, he ended up in a coma or paralitic or maybe with a really ugly scar, I just think a death be to severe.
ReplyDeleteAnd my prediction, In december we will finally see Ren´s birthday present, do you realize that is been a yearand 3months already T_T
Pinkchan 001
Mech!
ReplyDeleteYou are seriously awesome! Awesome fast work, smooth translation! Thank you!
Well, its quite a relief, I think Rich was probably in the same gang with Ren and he died because they were fighting someone else and Rich died, Ren made it. Else if Ren was really a killer, he should be in jail.
And now we all have to wait for another month!
- Quynh -
Awwww, that was super! wish there was more another month to go! this will be the death of me!
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for your hard work and super fast too!! Thanks
anaya
Thank you Mechie for the quick translation and hard work!!! It's been sometime since I last posted and i shd say, "I love you!!!!" :D
ReplyDeleteI think the chapter is very good despite being predictable.. on the bright side, at least most of your predictions are spot on :D and we've finally figured out the past that Ren's been hiding... but, it's too short :(
@Hazy & everyone else
i think the next chapter we might see a scene change, probably news about the crash will be quickly reported in the gossip columns. And like what Hazy said, Shou will get to know about it from girls gossiping. Will he confront Kyouko about about her holding Ren's hand from a paparazzi photo?
@Cherry-chi
Crack predictions ftw :D
Btw, love both Kyouko's and Ren's expressions from 4th page from last :)
@Mechgouki
ReplyDeleteWe have no proof that Momose is using a stunt double, and she doesn't really need to have one. I can't imagine a stunt double screaming all the way in a car to top that off. :P
LOL about the stunt double's screaming. That's true. However, I also can't imagine that Director Ogata would go up to the stunt driver, Igarashi-kun, and not ask after Momose if that was Momose in the car with Igarashi-kun.
~ Katherine
Page 12 edited slightly.
ReplyDelete@Mechie
ReplyDeleteBetween page 12 and 13, there's something missing, isn't it?
From Page 12:
So be it. If that is what Rick would have wanted, I shall...
Page 13:
No more...
Is the sentence purposely constructed as such? "I shall... No more..." I think it would have been better if it had been, "I shall... live no more..."
Just suggesting :)
OMG!!! sooooo exciting
ReplyDeletethank you mechgouki!!!
and duh! kyoko brought him back ^.^
and i am still not getting ren's background story XD who the hell is rick? .... and many questions that still need to be answered but we shall see hehe :]
btw love your new design at the site! it's FABULOUS!
- Liv
@Mae
ReplyDeleteActually, the original text on pages 12 and 13 is:
"———Nara"
"ii"
"kana"
"Rikku ga"
"sore wo"
"nozomu nara"
"ore wa———"
"mou———..." <---There's no verb included.
If you read it as:
"———If so"
"it's fine"
"I guess."
"If Rick"
"wishes"
"that"
"I———"
"soon———..."
does it make more sense?
@Mechgouki
I think the text bridging pages 9 and 10, "———Rikku no" "———kawari ni———" is an echo of the blonde's words, so it should just be "———In place of" "———Rick———" (although this might sound more natural as "———Instead of" "———Rick———")
And the text "Ore ga shineba, ikikaeru no ka...?" around Kuon in page 10 should be "If I die, will he come back to life...?"
I also think the "Rikku ga sore wo nozonderu kara konna ni karada ga kootte iku no ka———...?" on pages 10 and 11 should be "Is it because Rick wishes that, that my body is freezing like this———...?"
Oh, yeah. If you make pages 12 and 13 a spread, then the "———..." under Kuon in the leftmost panel of page 12 will make sense to the reader since it's the continuation of "mou———" on page 13.
~ Katherine
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ReplyDeleteThankyour for releasing it sooo fast!!!!!! *hugs*
ReplyDeleteIt was VERY short.. And most of it is a repeat of the last chapter.. We didnt really learn more about the accident. My guess is that since the woman had said that he should have died instead of Rick that Ren 'became' Rick in order to make up for it? Possibly? I think thats where his Ren character orgiginally came from.. Or do you think my guess is wrong?
Kyoko brought Ren out of his funk as expected. We didnt get to see Kyoko's reaction to his heavenly smile.. And I bet the next chapter is going to be Ren trying to make an excuse for his behavior which scared Kyoko.
@GoghGirl
ReplyDeleteMy guess is that since the woman had said that he should have died instead of Rick that Ren 'became' Rick in order to make up for it? Possibly? I think thats where his Ren character orgiginally came from.
That's possible, what with the dark hair, especially if the watch does turn out to be Rick's. If Rick had been an actor, it would make sense that Kuon pursues acting in Japan—if the Ren persona was to make up for Rick's death. But how would Kuon's "becoming Rick" connect with Lory's offer to give Kuon a stage and the opportunity to become a better actor than Kuu? If Rick is the reason Kuon got to the point of not being able to move, why would surpassing Kuu be the requirement for Kuon's return to America?
~ Katherine
It was great! :)
ReplyDeleteThank you Mechgouki-Chan!
~Dreams
Thank you Mechgouki-san for doing the translation, thank you for the hard work.
ReplyDeleteIt is indeed a bit depressing to see this chapter a bit short. Although it is comforting to see Kyoko managed to pull Ren out of his shocked state, it still did not tell us much.
How I wish that Ren 'woke' up from his shocked state, realizing it is Kyoko's hand and hug her without realizing what is he doing.
Sigh.... Find it frustrating that the story seems dragging. Though I know I should remain hopeful like some of the other fans and continue to wait patiently.
We can only wait... =(
Aggiegal33
@Mae
ReplyDeleteWhenever deciding on words to use, I have to consider the meaning and context of the original language as well, and not just use words just because they sound better.
Nothing in the original text indicated "live".
To be perfectly honest, I think you simply considered what would sound better, and didn't consider what was in the original meaning.
I appreciate your effort, but I have Katherine to advice me on this. Thanks anyway.
@Katherine
ReplyDeleteWould that really have sounded better? I guess it is more accurate in a sense.
I mean, the woman actually says "Please die in Rick's stead", but I changed that to "You should have died in place of Rick."
Is "come back to life" more appropriate?
As for page 12 13, aren't the 2 pages totally different in black and white?
Hi Mechgouki! It's my first time to comment, and I just want to thank you for always updating us! More power to ya!
ReplyDeleteI bet that Rick guy is actually who "Ren" was patterned from. (blonde--> black hair) Sort of like how Nuriko from Fushigi Yuugi and Aya from Weiss Kreuz was. And if it follows the pattern of Hana Yori Dango, Rick is probably alive, in a comatose state or even living "normally" and well some place else while Ren/Kuon is suffering... But of course this is skip beat we're talking about here, so i'm guessing there's more "mystery" and twist to this new story arc.
Would that really have sounded better? I guess it is more accurate in a sense.
ReplyDeleteI mean, the woman actually says "Please die in Rick's stead", but I changed that to "You should have died in place of Rick."
I think "should have died" would be "shindarou" or "shinda darou". Since she actually uses "shininasai" (not "shinde kudasai"), essentially she orders Kuon to "Die in Rick's stead!" I think that sounds even better—in which case the text bridging pages 9 and 10, "———Rikku no" "———kawari ni———" as an echo of the blonde's words, should be "———In Rick's" "———stead———"
Is "come back to life" more appropriate?
"Ikikaeru" means "revive; recover consciousness; be resuscitated; be brought around; come to (oneself); come around; be restored to life; return [come] to life; rise from the dead." Ikikaeru would apply to Ren recovering from his daze in this chapter. But since both the blonde and Kuon are treating Rick as dead, then "come back to life" or "be restored to life" would be more appropriate given the context. Also, I think "would have lived" would be "ikitarou" or "ikita darou" (not "ikikaeru).
As for page 12 13, aren't the 2 pages totally different in black and white?
Yes, one side is black and the other side is white. BUT if you put the two pages side by side (page 13 on the left and page 12 on the right), you'll see that line after "mou" in page 13 continues into page 12. I think this spread is like the yin-yang in the first page.
~ Katherine
Maria Luz
ReplyDeletesuper duper ultra mega love it...
and again arigatou gosaimasu mechgouki-san...
i love the scene where kyouko snap back ren in reality....supeeer...
wonder if rumors will spread about them...wahahha
i love to see the reactions of the people who knows them...
crap and i need to wait 1 month for chap167
oh well, it worth the wait...
i so love SKIP BEAT...
Wheres Kijima!?!?!?! KIJIMA!!?!!?!? i seriously want kijima in there!!! >:O it;d be fun to get Ren jealous when he sees Kyoko catures Kijima's attention!!!
ReplyDeletethis chap is boring! but at the same time interesting! get to show more of Ren's(kuon's) past!!
Shiva
WOW, that was sooo great! i knew kyoko would be the special person that rescues him. but this gave me such a warmhearted feeling to actually see it like that. i'm curious to how this will go on. will they notice that she was the only one to whom he reacted?
ReplyDeletethank you so so much for posting this! i'm already looking forward to the next chapter!
kira
Thanks again for your hard work!
ReplyDeleteShort yet interesting chapter, the continuation will surely be awesome! =)
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH thanks :]
ReplyDeleteTHE NEXT CHAPTER IS*:
ReplyDelete-December 4
-4th of December
-12/4
-21 days before Christmas
-Several birthdays
*(But Mechie-Mechie is most likely
gonna get the chapter out earlier)
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She looks like Kanae, because Kanae always has this murderous look in her eyes! LOL!
No wonder they look so familiar!
Wheres Kijima!?!?!?! KIJIMA!!?!!?!?
He's somewhere in the crowd of staff members...
I think we might find Waldo too.
For some reason (tiredness probably) when I read this I thought it said RenxKyoko strip tease...my bad! LOL I can't imagine Kyoko doing that though.Ren? I wish!!
If that did happen, I'd think I'd stumble
into the wrong manga.
Yet...I'd keep reading... ;D
Ahh~ We're all perverts! xD
Anika said...
ReplyDeleteSo last chapter I was really on the edge of my seat oh well bed cause I'm lying while reading... ANYWAY... for the last 8 chapters before this i waited 5 months before i read those 8 chapters and chapter 165 left me feeling soooo what's the word, um, um, unsatisfied i guess? incomplete? anyway i know you guys know the feeling and i'm really waiting for this chapter and checking to see if it's out... the chapter is now enough to last me for a long time... cause there are no cliff hangers and somehow it's enough for me so now i'm going to wait for a 6 months or maybe even a year before i read again because i want to continuously read... Skip Beat is the ONLY manga that i faithfully follow and I love it soooooooooo much.... Thank you mechgouki for this I was dying for this chapter and before I read it I was really ecstatic and excited... Really great job!!!
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I'm so glad! I had a really bad day today at school. And I just learned that this chapter was out and I found that you already translated it. You are amazing!!!
ReplyDeleteAnyway, many thanks!!! You have uplifted my spirit.^^
~Elisa <3
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ReplyDelete@Anika
ReplyDeleteI also do that sometimes but I do have a limit :P I cannot restraign my self when it comes to chapters released >.<
Its nerve racking!!! i mean like i just dont know whats going on stuff like that... i dont think that makes sense but anyywaaays~!!
...I still want Kijima in this chapter >.<'
Shiva
Thank you so much for this chapter!
ReplyDeleteI could'nt stop from wanting more than this, this one was really short *sob* and only in another month there will be a release, this is killing me *sob sob*
-taninha-
HI Mech, I'm Aris, thank you for posting the chapter XD!!!!
ReplyDeleteI was thinking of what some people might already have commented here.
While I was reading I noticed that the watch Ren wears is Rick's watch (you can see in one of the pages), and although I have already thought that the way Rick dresses is alike Ren's, now I'm almost sure that "Ren" was created from Rick.
Kyoko once said that Ren never uses something that belongs to him while acting another character. Probably the watch is a reminder and a "bond", and that would explain why Kuon can't be himself and why he can't love as he is/ from where he is standing now (going back to that time he didn't want to fall in love). Probably that was his way to "pay up" or attonish what he thinks may have resulted in Rick's death.
Of course there is more to "REN" than only this reason. Another reason to create "REN" is so that Kuon can surpass his father (that would explain why Rory once said that this wish means he didn't give up on life yet, and is still Kuon). I don't think that "Ren" personality is based only on Rick, for what we know of Kuon, and what we watched the president and Kuu say about Kuon makes us see that "Ren" has a lot of Kuon in him.
Although the story may appear like it's moving slow, in truth it's respecting the rythim. Brake through a character trauma and make him change in the process, and manage other characters to change with him requires time, specially if you want this to make sense in and out the story (for the others characters and the readers).
About next chapter... it's quite difficult to guess cause Nakamura-sensei can skip some scenes or just show everything that happens next.
Once again, thank you for this chapter!
oh!! thanks for the scans, as always a great help!!!!
ReplyDeletewhat is sensei doing the chapters are to short its killing me I want to know more!!!!
wow ren its scary!!! well Thanks again for the scan as always you deliver ands provide us with the juicy story!!!
nina
@Mechgouki
ReplyDeleteI was reading the FH comments and because of the speculation given rise by your use of "suffer," I have to point out that on page 8, the first balloon ignores the "konna me ni" and that "awanakatta" is the past tense. I think If only you didn't exist, then Rick wouldn't have to suffer! should be "If only you didn't exist, then Rick wouldn't have suffered something like this!"
Meeting you, has cost Rick his life!! First, the comma after "you" is ungrammatical. Next, I think it's more accurate as "If only he hadn't met you," "Rick would have escaped death!!" (or it might sound more natural as "If only he hadn't met you," "Rick wouldn't have died!!")
~ Katherine
thank you so mucchh.......!!!!
ReplyDelete-jingga-
You are so great for going out of your way to do this for us! Thank you so much! You are the bestest! P.S. this chapter was very awesome; even though it was really short...
ReplyDelete-IndestructableAngel-
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ReplyDeleteUgh!!! We have to wait another month!?
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ReplyDelete@Katherine
ReplyDeletepage 8 and 13 edited. The rest will come soon.
I disagree on page 8. Wouldn't have to suffer is a past tense too. The key word with the past tense is "wouldn't", not "suffer".
So you're saying there's a discussion of my scanlations somewhere else? Jeez, why couldn't they discuss here instead, where I can easily address any issues?
Despite my constant reminders, there are still people who insist on not using a name when commenting.
ReplyDeleteSuch comments will be promptly deleted.
@Mechgouki
ReplyDeleteWouldn't have to suffer is a past tense too. The key word with the past tense is "wouldn't", not "suffer".
By that logic, "would have to suffer" is past tense since "wouldn't have to suffer" is just the negation of that. Grammatically speaking, "would" is for the presumptive form, not past form. "Would have to suffer" is present presumptive; "would have suffered" is past presumptive.
So you're saying there's a discussion of my scanlations somewhere else?
They're just discussing the story and speculating on implications.
~ Katherine
Thank you again mechgouki-san for the scans i waited long for this,so so long~ but should i be happy with the chapter ending like that?! i have no idea but still that was great,you're awesome kyoko-chan~ its messed up that it will be like a month before the new chap,that sucks! oh, i think the is like the prelude to what will happen to kyoko and ren in the future this will play part with their releationship i think:)
ReplyDeleteXD
ReplyDeleteSO good! HOw are you so super fast at getting these up? THANK YOU, thank you, thank you!!!! Such a good chapter!! Whoever said that kyoko had to touch him, gets 50+ bonus prediction points! good call!
THanks again Mechi! you made my week!
Okay picture these 2 sentences.
ReplyDeleteHe went to the party.
He had to go to the party.
Both sentences are in past tense. Even though the second uses the word "go".
It takes more than just one word to determine whether the sentence is past tense or not. I mean, you can't say "He had to went to the party."
You are looking at the word "suffer" by itself. Try looking at "to suffer" as the phrase. If I use "suffer" alone, and not "to suffer", then I'm wrong. But I used the latter.
As for being presumptive, the situation involves looking at a possibility of something not happening. So I honestly don't see it as inappropriate here.
And, I thought "Will have to suffer" is present presumptive, not "Would"?
He went to the party.
ReplyDeleteHe had to go to the party.
Both sentences are in past tense. Even though the second uses the word "go".
Yes, those are past tense. Now include "would" in the sentence.
He would have gone to the party. (past presumptive)
He would have to go to the party. (present presumptive)
As for being presumptive, the situation involves looking at a possibility of something not happening. So I honestly don't see it as inappropriate here.
It's not that the presumptive form is inappropriate; it's that you said the present presumptive is past presumptive: Wouldn't have to suffer is a past tense too. "Would" and "wouldn't" are not past tense.
And, I thought "Will have to suffer" is present presumptive, not "Would"?
"Will, could, would, should, shall, may, might, ought" when used to express conjecture are all presumptive. "Will have to suffer" is also present presumptive; "will have suffered" is it's past presumptive phrasing.
~ Katherine
Dec 4 !@#$% another long wait but as for me Xbox Kinnect will come out in two weeks plus all the christmas release video games so the times gonna fly by, but I wonder sometimes if i die of old age waiting for SB chapters?. i know I will waiting for the badly translated volumes. T24
ReplyDeleteKya! Thanks mechgouki(and Chinglan1987 for the scans) ;)
ReplyDeleteThank you very much guys...
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for this. Argh, I can't wait for the next one! >_<
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ReplyDeleteI feel like I wasted my life waiting for this chapter, what a disappointment. It feels like we got nowhere with this chapter.
ReplyDeleteBut I really appreciate all the work you put into this thanks!!!
@Katherine
ReplyDeleteI think I understand what you mean. But I still don't agree.
I was not clear on present presumptive, so I did a brief search, and it showed me this.
Present Presumptive- He will, or must be coming
Past Presumptive- He will, or must have come
Neither of which seems to be similar to what I used or what you suggested.
Regardless, "Would" is most definitely 100% a past tense. "Will" would be the present tense. There is no argument about this.
In any case, this is all really besides the point. The only tense that I am looking at is "would". As far as I am concerned, "He will not have to suffer," is incorrect for this situation, and "He would not have to suffer," would be correct.
As for "suffer" itself, look at it this way.
He wouldn't have to go.
He wouldn't have gone.
What's the difference here? Both statements are not the same of course. But the meaning is the same. Going is not necessary.
He wouldn't have to suffer.
He wouldn't have suffered.
Different structures, same end result.
Even though the original meaning is in past tense, the meaning is still that this state would not have happened.
Which is why I will still stand firm on what I used. The sentence I chose is correct.
aawwww.... this a such a nice advance birthday present for me...
ReplyDeleteThanks so much for the oh so fast update!!! I'm really glad that Kyoko was the one to get him out of that awful nightmare... And with just one touch too... kyaaahhhh!!! I'm so excited for the next chapter... oh and did you see how heavenly and breathtaking his smile was? and he was talking to her as if they were the only one in the world and as if he wasn't frozen like a lifeless mannequin a second ago... Now everyone will know he has feelings for Kyoko and that they have a deep connection with each other because only Kyoko could wake Ren up from his worst nightmare.. Hallelujah!!!! Whoohoooo!!! I AM JUST SOOOOO FREAKING HAPPY...
Anyways, I love you Mech... Thanks so much...
ZionX
thank so much for 'translate' it..
ReplyDeleteur the best, gambatte ^o^b
I'm curious too, why nick's girlfriend blame it to ren not the driver, must be some other story behind that accident....
I want bond between ren <3 kyoko gone deeper n everyone who look them accept it!!
I think the next story; both of them continue they shoot n the president who heard what happen on that accident very happy becs. it must be what president want!!!! ^o^v
THANK YOU! you just gotta love nakamura sensei and the awesomeness of her story no matter how long or bad it is.
ReplyDeleteAhh i just came home for a 7 hr dance practice. You have no idea how nice it was to come home to a new skip beat chapter. THANKS FOR BEING SO FAST! <3
ReplyDeleteahh we have to wait a whole month before the next ch comes out. Bummer :(
THANK YOU!! Great start into the days ,thanks to you XD
ReplyDeleteI am relieved to see that kyoko could have helped Ren, maybe he realize that he can forget about all ,with kyoko at his side!!
..cant wait for the next chapter!!!!!!!!
You are great mechgouki :3
I can't believe i missed reading it on my birthday! Anyways, thanks again for your speedy work <3
ReplyDeleteOh, and by the way.. nubs would stay nubs.. you've done your part, so they just have to do their own. And since they don't, you don't have to bother with reminding them >.< (hope you know what i'm referring to :/)
Regardless, "Would" is most definitely 100% a past tense. "Will" would be the present tense. There is no argument about this.
ReplyDeleteI see now where the misunderstanding comes in. Yes, "would" is the past tense of "will." However, grammatically speaking, "would" in the sentence If only you didn't exist, then Rick wouldn't have to suffer! is a modal (an auxiliary verb) that combines with a main verb to suggest possibility. According to The Writer's Digest Grammar Desk Reference, on their own, modals do not have a tense. "Past tense can be created by adding have before the past participle of the main verb" (p.24). "To suffer" is not past participle, therefore "wouldn't have to suffer" is present tense or future tense.
Also, as I wrote earlier, you're ignoring the "konna me ni".
Your reading:
If only you didn't exist, then Rick wouldn't have to suffer!
implies a present/ongoing suffering or a future occurrence.
My reading:
If only you didn't exist, then Rick wouldn't have suffered something like this!
limits the suffering to the accident (something like this), which already happen.
~ Katherine
Thank you sooo much again :D
ReplyDeletePhew, what a relief, Kyoko pulled him through. But the words for next chapter are still ominous :( and we have to wait another whole month for it! Oh, agony!
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ReplyDelete@Katherine:
ReplyDeleteThanks for your pointers :D
@Mechgouki:
Thanks for your reply :) You've shown much maturity in your translation by taking into accounts the context, not just the meaning and words :D
When I was reading between page 12 and 13, the sentence was disconnected, so naturally I will try to fill in the gap to make sense of the whole context.
So the first word that comes into mind is "live". Another is "fight"
Cheers :D
So, as the next chapter will be release in a month, is anyone up for a Skip Beat game?
ReplyDeletePinkchan 001
Konna me ni means "like this" if I'm not wrong. I can still add it to "He wouldn't have to suffer like this", and it still would still be correct, right?
ReplyDeleteAny way, you are still missing out on what I said. The end result is still the same.
Not having to start the process is the same as not having to go through the process. The result is the same.
While I was doing the scanlation, I felt that not having to start was probably a stronger, more suitable case.
I don't see how this implies a future occurrence, to be honest. Nothing in the lines "wouldn't have to suffer" suggested that.
By the way, guys, I just thought of this.
ReplyDeleteI personally think the best song suitable for Kyouko is "I will survive". Much of the lyrics is similar to her situation, to the point that I wondered if the author got inspiration from this song.
I am now thinking, would "What do you want from me" be the song most suitable for Shou?
I was initially thinking of "Killing me softly with his song".
You are undoubtedly the awesomess person in the whole world.. thanks for translating this chapter!! ^^,
ReplyDeleteSo we get a gist of what Ren experienced in the past.. It would seem that Rick was Ren's friend and they were involved with somekind of dangerous thing and Rick died to protect Ren or something in that manner.. and that stupid girl went on blaming Ren because of her frustrations.. (still vague.. I wonder when we'll get the whole past)
..and of course. expected. Only Kyouko could save Ren from that.. Not much happened this chapter but still I'm grateful for it.. It's better than having no update at all..
Thank you so much again for doing this..
--yuuki36
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ReplyDeleteMechgouki thanks so much for the fast scans. This just made my friday better. I so don't like this cliff hanger I want them to hug or something after all this craziness.
ReplyDelete... the drawings are a Twincy! Wincy! bit different!!! :/ lol just saying :P thought it would be interesting to know even if you cant tell if its a tincy wincy bit differeent -.-;; lol
ReplyDeleteShiva
<3 So happy to find this!
ReplyDeleteAt last~
OMB!!* How many times must i remind you? YOU ARE TOO LOVED! Just wanted to remind you. But you already know that, don't you? ;D
ReplyDeleteWOULD write a prediction, but i just HAD to comment first before reading it, cause i know how much you love comments. C:
Anywayys, imma go read your awesomeness of scanlations. THANK YOU VERY MUSCH!! ;D,
iCHU~!
Thankyou sooo much
ReplyDeletehmmm it's going to be a long month
Keep up the good work!!!!
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EH EH! It's me! I think iCHU~! is confusing so imma change to iDUMPLINGZ. ;D
ReplyDeleteJust finished reading your wayy too awesome scanlations. Not your fault but...IM PISSED. D:<
WTF Im really dissapointed in Nakamura Yoshiki. REALLY got my hopes going up mann. But BUT, a hand squeeze wakes him up??!?!? Well, that was
NOT NICE. Not cliche, but i was hoping for so romance, no?
WHY YOSHIKI?!?! WHY?! BS. Just...full of BS. ; ^;
Thank you for listening to my spaz, iDUMPLINGZ
*Oh, urhm.. OMB means Oh My Bieber. XD
Thank you Mechgouki once again for the super fast scanlations!
ReplyDeleteI just wish there was more of an explaination to why Kyoko brought Ren out of his shock instead of a cliff hanger. o wells, we'll just have to find out in the next release. ^_^
Lain
I forgot:
ReplyDelete@ Aris: Thanks for the insights! I totally didn't notice the watch thing and was feeling this chapter was moving kinda slow until u pointed out how there's a need for rhythm and story pacing to ensure the story seems relatistic. Thanks!
Lain
I am just really happy to be able to read it soo thanks alot. i can't wait to see what happens next month. i hope its longer though!
ReplyDeleteNightangels22
Sofia had a good point, people might think that Kyoko is ‘some random high school girl’ that isn’t Kyoko. Kyoko might get wind of the rumors about Ren possibly being involved with a mysterious high school girl. Being the totally oblivious girl she is, she’ll probably assume it’s the same high school girl that Ren mentioned to Bo (which in itself is a correct assumption) but she’ll still be clueless that it her. She wants to be happy for them, but doesn’t know why she can’t. Since she makes this somewhat reasonable connection in her head, she tries distancing herself, at least personally, from Ren (which isn’t really difficult, she has it in her head that they aren’t anything more than sempai and kohai). Way to exacerbate the issue, Kyoko… :-P
ReplyDeleteUnless Ren makes his intentions more clear to Kyoko in the next chapter(s)!
My guess on the two women by the car was the Grandma and Mother whose (grand)son ran in the street. But a clothing check doesn’t seem to match.
A weird thing I’m getting vibes about is what Rick wants Kuon/Ren to do. Is Ren entertaining the idea Rick wanted him dead instead of him? And if that’s the case, why does Ren sound so dejected yet accepting of this? Well, whatever it is that Ren thinks Rick wants him to do, Ren intends to do it soon. All the darkness makes me feel like he’s thinking suicide is an option. (No, Ren! How can Kyoko love you if you’re dead?!) Does anyone else have an idea on this?
And thanks so much Mech!
Am I talking to a stupid brick wall?! Why isn't anyone replying?!
ReplyDeleteI said "What do you want from me" may be a suitable song for Shou! Why the hell is no one replying to that?
Wahh~ Thanks so much for updating :) And fast too! I totally appreciate it, thanks again for all your hard work!
ReplyDeleteooii
ReplyDeleteAm I talking to a stupid brick wall?! Why isn't anyone replying?!
I said "What do you want from me" may be a suitable song for Shou! Why the hell is no one replying to that?
Don't hurt it's feelings!
Walls have feelings too! D:<
That's why I was reluctant on replying to you!
Meanie!
(*sarcasm*)
My reaction to that is the same as the
one with the Shakespearean quote in the last
chapter comment section.
I don't see it. .___.
I really don't.
Please forgive me.
(I looked at both Adam Lambert and Cascada and didn't get it, is it by someone else?)
Thank you so very much, mechgouki, for posting this so quickly. I really do appreciate it. You are the only one I can find who updates so consistantly. Anticipation builds enough just watching for the newest chapter to release in Japan and it is kind of you to put in the time to translate it and have it ready to share so soon, letting us continue the story with no extra waiting. This story is worth being patient for, but I love that I can hop on this site and here it is, the same day I had circled on my calendar. Thank you again so much and thank you also to the person who prepares the raws (chinglan, thank you).
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ReplyDeleteI'm sorry, I get really mad when people ignore me. This is one of those things that I cannot stand.
ReplyDeleteThe song I am talking about is from Adam Lambert.
Anyone else thinks "What do you want from me" is suitable for Shou?
Thank you, you and the scanlation are simply wonderful! :)
ReplyDeleteNo. I really REALLY don’t. Maybe if Shou becomes more mature and comes to realize how important Kyoko truly is to him and properly acknowledges all the wrongdoings he’s committed against her, then maybe. A BIG maybe.
ReplyDeleteI just CAN’T see Shou saying to Kyoko that she’s ‘beautiful and there’s nothing wrong with you’ any time soon, and I can’t see him willingly admitting that ‘he’s a freak’. He’s still too immature and arrogant for that.
To me, Lambert’s song is about the person acknowledging his uncertainty and his flaws, and yet at the same still wanting to be with the girl he loves. And on that note, I think the song actually suits Ren much more. Now let me try to explain/interpret the song from Ren’s point of view:
from:
~p (continued in nxt post coz its too long)
Hey, slow it down, whataya want from me?
ReplyDeleteWhataya want from me?
Yeah I’m afraid, whataya want from me?
Whataya want from me?
(Hey, slow it down. Don’t move too fast or you’ll scare her away. Think of what she’d want instead of yourself. Yes, I’m afraid. Afraid of losing you. Afraid of loving you so one-sidedly, of being rejected by you if I ever confess to you, of your reaction to me if you ever find out who I really am and all the things I’ve done)
There might have been a time when I would give myself away
Oh, once upon a time, I didn’t give a damn
But now, here we are, so whataya want from me?
Whataya want from me?
(Back in the past, I wouldn’t have minded going out with any girl who’d ask me. I’d give myself away. But now that you’re in my life, I can no longer bring myself to do that. Instead, what do I have to make you see me and accept me as a man?)
~p (still continued)
Just don’t give up I’m workin it out
ReplyDeletePlease don’t give in, I won’t let you down
It messed me up, need a second to breathe
Just keep coming around
Hey, whataya want from me?
Whataya want from me?
Whataya want from me?
(Despite the hurt you’ve suffered in the past which is making you unwilling to open your heart once more, please don’t give up on the notion of love. Please don’t give in to the part of yourself that wants to throw love away, because I’m here now, and I won’t treat you like he did. Every time I see you, you mess me up - I can’t breathe because you take my breath away. It happens every time.)
Yeah, it’s plain to see
that baby you’re beautiful
And there’s nothing wrong with you]
It’s me, I’m a freak
but thanks for lovin’ me
Cause you’re doing it perfectly
(Yes, despite what anyone else might think, you’re beautiful and there’s nothing wrong with you. Instead, it’s me who’s full of ugliness and darkness inside. In spite of that, thanks for loving me when I was Corn, and thanks for loving me now even if it’s only as your respected sempai)
Yeah, there might have been a time
When I would let you slip away
I wouldn’t even try
But I think you could save my life
(Yes, once upon a time I wouldn’t have cared who you were and just let you fade away. But having experienced the joy you bring to my life and the good that only you can draw out in me, I can’t help but try to be worthy of you).
Just don’t give up I’m workin’ it out
Please don’t give in, I won’t let you down
It messed me up, need a second to breathe
Just keep comin around
Hey, whataya want from me (Whataya want from me)
Whataya want from me (Whataya want from me)
(Please don’t give up even before I get the chance to try. My life’s complicated, but I’m trying to work it out right now. Please give me a chance, I won’t hurt you like he did. Every time I see you, you mess me up – I can’t breathe because you take my breath away and it happens every time. Hey, what do I need to do to make you see me? To make you open up your heart again?)
etc….
Now, after my explanation, who here thinks that the song suits Ren more instead of Shou? XDDDDD
From:
~p
Hmm,@mechie, I think What Do You Want From Me does kinda of suit Shou.But after reading p's comment its does more of apply to Ren...><
ReplyDeleteand I dont think that I Will Survive suits Kyoko...
I was think more of the song Brick By Boring Brick by Paramore?
bernice:P
gosh thank u so much for this.
ReplyDeletebest source after all :D
ReplyDeleteThe song I am talking about is from Adam Lambert.
Anyone else thinks "What do you want from me" is suitable for Shou?
OH MY GAWD I LOVE THAT SONG!
*spazzes*
Just don't give up
I'm working it out
Please don't give in
I let you down
I messed it up, need a second to breathe
Just keep coming around~
And I'm gonna stop singing here,
since ~p-chan already has the lyrics posted.
Which reminds me!
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@ ~P-chan:
Thanks for the lyrics!
---
Now that I know it's Adam's...
I still feel the same.
I don't see it relate to Sho.
I just see an image of a guy who is
also a doctor trying to save his girlfriend's
life.
Or maybe a guy in a new
relationship, but is afraid from the scars
of his old relationship.
(ok...that sounds a little like Ren.)
But then, again there are many different
meanings to songs.
May you please explain your P.O.V.? :)
Well, when I read they lyrics, I was thinking of someone, who actually didn't care about his woman very much. Took her for granted all the way, until right now, where he actually cares for her.
ReplyDeleteHe asks "What do you want from me", but that is actually not a challenge like it sounds. He's actually asking her what she wants.
That was why I got this idea.
Kyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
ReplyDeleteIt was just totally awesome
*Kyoko appears* and bamm Ren is back
Ohhh god that face of Ren was totally priceless
*Ren sees Kyoko > Ren shines*
kyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Saphira
Kyaa!
ReplyDeleteSankyu!
You are awesome, ^_^ Thank you very much for this release!
Ne, Mechgouki san. Do you think they will bring up Ren's present in the next chap.
ReplyDeleteIt'll most probably be like:
Kyoko comforted him and developed their relationship.
He goes home and sees her present. Then the author shows the part where Kyoko reminds him to open it after he goes home.
Curiosity got the better of him so he opened it.
It was something handmade and he invited Kyoko over the next day to thank her for everyting she had done.
Then bla bla bla
@Unevilgirl... well.. in my previous post, I mentioned that those 2 women by the car were probably Momose-san and Oohara-san.. the grandma and mother of that boy wouldn't be there, they would be with the by-standers/ spectators, nobody other than the casts and crews are allowed near the site and shooting area. that's why they have people watching and blocking people from trying to come over (remember Box-R director at the beginning who had to ask Kyoko to let him in??) he was stuck at the by-standers area and can't go forward.. which makes sense, they just can't let public get into the shooting area, it's celebrities over there, don't want them to get fan-mobbed while busy filming and while in that kind of conditions.
ReplyDeleteabout Kyoko's misconception of herself being reported as some random high school girl because people didn't recognize her.. well, it's possible. However, I want to point out that in regards to that "High School Girl" that Ren ever mentioned to Bo before.. how many times did it come out in the manga? Once or twice during the time Ren consult with Bo about love when he was stuck at Katsuki's role (over 100 chapters ago??LOL)
ReplyDeleteBo said he had what is called a "Prelude to love" just because he thinks a girl is cute or pretty and he thinks about the girl sometimes.. I assume that is what Kyoko mean as "a little crush" like beginner crush, not really "in-love" yet.
Well, we all know that Ren's resolve has changed about Kyoko and he wanted her now (somewhat still at a snail pace), but Kyoko doesn't know that.
To Kyoko, Ren never pursued the relationship with that girl, it stayed at a beginner crush level, and thus was never mentioned anymore (at all) in the manga. And this is Kyoko we're talking about, if a full-blown love like she had for Sho (or so she thought before she was dumped) make her think that love is a type of illusion trick by the brain (she said that herself, during Valentine's arc), because she doesn't believe that love is ever real, and those girls buying chocolates for their beloved boyfriend or boys they think they loved were all tricked by their brains (LOL), then for what reasons would she ever think that 'little' crush Ren had would still be the same after so long (it's been months after all). She probably think such a feeling would be gone already, since he didn't seek out that girl to solve his Katsuki problem, just Kyoko ad-libing as Mizuki was enough to help him that time. Isn't that why the topic of the other 'high school girl' was never mentioned by Kyoko (not even come out in her mind/thoughts)?
Honestly, topics of that 'other high school girl that Ren loved' according to Kyoko, only came out in fanfics.. LOL.. in manga, Kyoko never think (even once) that Ren actually 'Loved' that girl..just a 'prelude to love', and only think about that during that one time conversation Ren had with Bo. so, my point is, if a news about Ren with a high schooler ever reported in Japan, I'm wondering if Kyoko would even think of that 'girl' he mentioned before, or she might think it's someone else?? Like I said, it's possible that she might think it's the same girl.
Any way, you are still missing out on what I said. The end result is still the same.
ReplyDeleteNot having to start the process is the same as not having to go through the process. The result is the same.
First, if you can't understand the difference between present tense (in which case Rick is still alive and the blonde should be shouting things like "Dareka tasukete!" and "Rikku shikkarishite shinanaide kudasai!") and past tense (in which case Rick is already dead and she can't do anything else but blame Kuon), there's no point belaboring the issue.
Am I talking to a stupid brick wall?! Why isn't anyone replying?!
I said "What do you want from me" may be a suitable song for Shou! Why the hell is no one replying to that?
Second, I was out all day yesterday doing banking and handling family stuff. Then my brother and I got caught up discussing contingency measures in the event of a car hijacking on the way home from the airport (apparently there's a gang around here that's gotten notorious for that MO lately and we're going to the airport twice this month). Ahem. But I digress. Anyway, I'm dead tired, come back online and see this. If you're going to get abusive in the meanwhile, I might as well spare myself some aggravation and not keep up with the comments here.
Anyway, about that song. I don't think I'm familiar with it. No tune came to mind even after P posted the lyrics. However, I don't think it applies to Shou since he doesn't care what Kyouko wants. He hasn't gotten to that point. With him, everything is still "Me, me, me, MINE!" The only guy who's thought "What do you want from me" in relation with Kyouko is Ren and that was just before his Katsuki acting test and he was wondering if she was trying to seduce him. So, no, I don't think it applies to Shou because he doesn't see that he'd let Kyouko down in the first place. However, I don't think it quite applies to Ren, either, since he doesn't (yet) believe that Kyouko loves him.
~ Katherine
Carmina said:
ReplyDeleteOOOOOOOOH!!! THANK YOU SOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH!!! =^..^= WIIIIIIIIIIII *-*
Well, when I read they lyrics, I was thinking of someone, who actually didn't care about his woman very much. Took her for granted all the way, until right now, where he actually cares for her.
ReplyDeleteHe asks "What do you want from me", but that is actually not a challenge like it sounds. He's actually asking her what she wants.
That was why I got this idea.
Hm...interesting.
I never thought of the song like that.
Since the tone of him singing sounds
like he's yelling at someone rather
than asking them what they want.
(Mainly at the end though...)
But I guess it all comes down to
different perspectives for different
people. :3
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@Kat:
It's ok. *pat* *pat*
Me and the wall feel the same way, too,
when he acts like that...
Now I feel like hugging you.
May I? :D
(...I'm gonna look stupid hugging my laptop... Virtual hug? I guess? ^^;)
Oh! And...
Here you go and enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjN-0hDLUqY
8D
@Cherry-chi
ReplyDeleteThanks for the hug and the link. =) For some strange reason, YouTube blocked the video but if this video with a pouty, prettyboy musician
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1Fqn9du7xo
is the same, I guess I can understand why Mechgouki thought of Shou. But it's the video that made the connection for me, not the song's lyrics.
If we're talking music, "Nemo" by Nightwish reminds me of Kyouko during the post-Shou period up to the end of the Ring Doh arc. For those not familiar with the song, it's this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80kOBeMEm2I
~ Katherine
First, if you can't understand the difference between present tense (in which case Rick is still alive and the blonde should be shouting things like "Dareka tasukete!" and "Rikku shikkarishite shinanaide kudasai!") and past tense (in which case Rick is already dead and she can't do anything else but blame Kuon), there's no point belaboring the issue.
ReplyDeleteTo further clarify this, I'll like to point out that it was not my decision to have this exchange expanded into this into a full-scale literature debate. I, for one, had already settled for the fact that both choices are viable, I simply picked one. As far as I'm concerned, the choice that I picked isn't wrong.
You constantly insist to me that it is a mistake. I have read every word you've written, and listened carefully. And I'm sorry to say that I still do not agree.
Most of the time, my translations are not as accurate as yours. And yes, this is one of those times. I made a decision to use and keep the original one I had, because I believe it is just as viable.
I know you think I'm wrong. But I hope you can at least, understand that I have a reason to think I am right. If you really think that's enough for this issue, then let's not discuss this one again.
Second, I was out all day yesterday doing banking and handling family stuff. Then my brother and I got caught up discussing contingency measures in the event of a car hijacking on the way home from the airport (apparently there's a gang around here that's gotten notorious for that MO lately and we're going to the airport twice this month). Ahem. But I digress. Anyway, I'm dead tired, come back online and see this. If you're going to get abusive in the meanwhile, I might as well spare myself some aggravation and not keep up with the comments here.
I apologies for making you feel that the rant I wrote was in any way directed at you. It wasn't targeted at you personally. In fact, it wasn't targeted at you in general as well.
I posted a message about my opinion of the song. When I saw that people who had posted after me, totally ignored what I said, I couldn't stand it.
It's perfectly understandable why you're peeved. As you can see, I have some things which I find very hard to tolerate too.
If there's anything I can't stand more than being ignored, it is to show me that I'm ignored.
I'm sorry if I offended you. But sometimes I just have to get loud and in people faces if I want to be heard.
Hm...interesting.
ReplyDeleteI never thought of the song like that.
Since the tone of him singing sounds
like he's yelling at someone rather
than asking them what they want.
(Mainly at the end though...)
But I guess it all comes down to
different perspectives for different
people. :3
I believe that was the idea. Throughout the song, he says "what do you want from me" to the girl, like an impatient remark. But as you hear the song, you realize that it isn't what it sounds like.
I believe that was kind of the idea. He doesn't know how to show affection, show he does it in the only way he knows, like an irritated remark.
Anyway, as odd as it sounds, my favorite Adam Lambert song is Mad World. Does anyone else find that choice a little odd? :P
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ReplyDeleteThanxs again for your effort! We really appreciate it!
ReplyDeletevero.-
- Aris
ReplyDeleteHm... I agree with ~p, the song really suits Ren from that perspective. Thank you ~p, the song sounds just so sweet now XD.
Oh yes, when you mentioned the song Mech, I remembered something about Sho... there was a chapter in which it says that Sho wrote a love song that would come out in dec 25 (kyoko's b-day), but in the end that wasn't mentioned again. Because of that I thought "Oh he grew up", but that thought only last until v-day _ _'''...
About Kyoko thinking of the "other girl", what worries me now is that she starts to think that the feeling of love she has for Ren it's just a consequence of acting Setsu, like what happened towards Kuu when she acted Kuon, and when she acted Mizuki. Hopefuly the author will have mercy on us XD.
Reaction to more posts in the past days:
ReplyDeleteOh, I think Kyoko definitely KNOWS she is in love with Ren, but she forbade herself to admit it. And about the "other highschool girl", Kyoko maybe doesn't know if Rens feelings are very strong, but she definitely believes in a big love - she just doesn't believes it can come to HER anymore.
Had Sho really written some lovesong to go out on 25th? If so, then my prediction is:
Ren will feel his love interests are in danger. Kyoko will go on as it is true, but in the end (of the manga?) we will see it was just a mistake - after she went through so much, she changed her mind about Sho and she does not want any revenge, but as well has no other interests in him, she sees him just like a stupid childhood friend who fell in love too late and is sorry for him.
Thanx for the chapter! You're the best
ReplyDeleteyeah... it's super short. we knew kyoko is ren's charm, so she is the only who can bring ren back to normal. but in this chapter we knew new thing about ren's past. can't wait for the next chapter
ReplyDeletebtw, thank mechgouki for scanlation
Why have my comments suddenly died?
ReplyDeleteIunno. =0 Commentcommentcomment
ReplyDeleteThank you for your quick translation!! So excited that this chapter (166) is out!!! So wanted to see what is going to happen next!! :D
ReplyDelete~Angel
My theory for why the comments have suddenly died is because we have so long to wait that everyone's just in a hibernating state and not checking as often as normal (or maybe that's just me...?).
ReplyDeleteAnyways, I agree with ~p about the song. I think that it represents Ren better than Shou. But I can see if either way. It all depends on how you hear it and everyone will hear it differently.
I don't remember Kyoko giving Ren a present prior to this chapter aside from the Xmas and v-day presents. Can anyone remind me when she gave this new present?
~Mandie
Mandie: I think if there is a talk about presents, it has to be the birthday present, which Kyoko gave Ren on V-day, because he has not unpacked it and we have not seen what is it. But we know Kyoko was embarassed more times about it (it was something not-brand, and second maybe because she thought it a bit silly or personal). We know she ordered it (or something to create it).
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ReplyDeleteThank you for picking this up.
ReplyDeleteDAMN! this is the fourth time now! i keep on reading this chapter over and over again! >.< im just so excited for the next chapters that im readin this chap(166) again! :S
ReplyDeletei got to stop and take a break! somebody take this computer away from meee!!!! >.<
Shiva
@ebzenka
ReplyDeleteThat's right. I forgot about that. Now I really want to know what the present was. Thanks!
~Mandie
@Ebzenka
ReplyDeleteI thought that the glass that the wine jelly was in was his birthday present... and the wine jelly itself was the valentines present? Maybe I'm just crazy.
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ReplyDeleteIt seems like the chapters keep getting shorter and shorter, and a lot more suspenseful! It seems like forever between chapters, and then they end up being so short!! What a shame! But this chapter was great... Now time to wait again... Thanks Mechgouki for all of your work!
ReplyDelete~Rachel
@cho
ReplyDeleteI don't know...
Cause she already gave him her gift in the morning or earlier time
than it was lunch
than she gave him the wine jelly
I doubt she would ask him to take out her gift to be used..
Now I'm sure that would be a little rude...
And since she asked him to open it in a personal place I doubt he would have opened it already since they are still on set...
does that make sense?
But I hope Nakamura-sensei remembers to add it in.. don't let it be forgotten... .-.
I am convinced that the Bday present is going to be one of those major mind fcuk moments and will be revealed after all this memory/trauma hooplah and is the lucky charm that will wash away Rens doudbts and fears about his love for Kyouko. T24
ReplyDeleteYes, I agree. The present should be unpacked later in the story, and it shows Ren that he should drop all his doubts, because Kyoko is THE ONE. I am sure it must be something very symbolic, like a doll with her shape, or something alike.
ReplyDeleteWow, thank you so much, I was so busy with learning that I didn't noticed that there is a new chapter up.
ReplyDeleteThanks for that awesome translation.
I'm curious what happens next :D
~Miss 42
Ehm... Mechgouki-kun?
ReplyDeleteWould I be too demanding, if I express the wish to read another small part of the PS2 story? I know you have not enough time, being in the new work and so on, but this is what would definitely make the comments grow... *wink wink*
Please please if there is just a small possibility, make the waiting for another SB episode lighter for us.
I also think that a small addition to the PS2 story would be nice, but not necessary if you don't have time. :3
ReplyDelete@Mitsuki
Yeah, that explanation makes sense. I really couldn't see her asking for him to bring out his present. And I reeeally hope that if the birthday present is still yet to be opened, it's not going to be left out... though I doubt it will. When Nakamura-sensei didn't show Ren watching Kyoko in the promo clip, I think I remember reading that a lot of readers wanted to know his reaction, so she put it in later.
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ReplyDeleteDo they have the approval of Mechgouki to release his translation? Well, at least there is his name on the scans, but it is sad how everyone thinks he can use the work of others without saying as little as "please" and "thanks".
ReplyDeleteI thought Nakamura already showed Ren's b-day gift.in chapter 154.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.mangareader.net/117-47954-2/skip-beat/chapter-154.html
-lo
@lo
ReplyDeleteNo. That's not it.
That was Kyoko's IMAGINATION
for what she was thinking over
what President Lory said about being
a "lucky charm" for Cain.
http://img1.mangareader.net/manga/skip-beat//154-3.jpg