tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8413047640078418003.post3908919588594163412..comments2023-04-26T17:00:10.329+08:00Comments on mechgouki - Skip Beat PS2 story: So says the "voice" of Mangafox.mechgoukihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11740452698497588136noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8413047640078418003.post-48950263502114774412010-10-28T04:22:42.305+08:002010-10-28T04:22:42.305+08:00if MF really cared about getting the scantillation...if MF really cared about getting the scantillations out to the masses instead of their own glory, they could just post links instead of stealing other people's hard work and writing their name all over it.shannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8413047640078418003.post-78152844110857014052010-01-04T23:53:45.764+08:002010-01-04T23:53:45.764+08:00I once uploaded at MF and they didn't even cre...I once uploaded at MF and they didn't even credited my name!foomafoohttp://www.navinaj.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8413047640078418003.post-82992215533460973452009-11-25T23:36:50.237+08:002009-11-25T23:36:50.237+08:00Oh and! I only found your blog recently (looking f...Oh and! I only found your blog recently (looking for the game pictures haha...) and the walkthrough ish so awesome <33 I really wish I could play the game.. Anyway. afer I read through your whole blog, gonna keep eye on you :3 ..and well. I could help out with some editing for the chapters if you would like. Just some quick one to level it up nicely and typeset so it could still be released fast. (The Bilwang watermarks are terrific tho D:) I hope thanks to the new MF policy many groups won't end up like that...Aruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07618459091535564720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8413047640078418003.post-51532340832105863662009-11-25T23:36:24.318+08:002009-11-25T23:36:24.318+08:00T_T I was writing a long long post...and then fire...T_T I was writing a long long post...and then firefox crashed and it all disappeared.. Uguu...<br /><br />Either way, I agree with most of what you said, that person sort of seems like an idiot. Oh I was really interestred after reading the part where he claims himself to be a scanlator. Found one Tsubasa dj on Manga-Updates with his fugly nick on it and addition of two more (wow, what a boy..). In that part I also found his twitter (really silly). And livejournal. Okay, those scans aren't that bad and I actualy read those for Nabari. But only because there are not much of others D: They are not ugly (actually kinda good but I hate the special fonts he uses >_> he favors the unreadable. Plus the scans either suck or he overlevels it. Duh.) but nothing I would fall in love with.<br /><br />Waiting periods up till 7 days eh? Yeah, he forgot to note in little letters that this applies only to unpopular and unknown series. When it's more popular, they have sometimes even problems with 2-3 days. Geh. And I don't mean overpopular stuff like Naruto, Bleach, One Piece because..just because. Scanlators doing those couldn't even hope to have waiting period anyway thanks to oh retarded fans.<br /><br />"Furthermore, he appears to have a righteous cause, but he's merely using that as an excuse to how he can use scanlator's stuff without needing their consent."<br />Yeah..exactly. And either way, he said they are running a business so they are earning money from it and basically makes whole his valid reasons post pretty much invalid.<br /><br /><br />Kilimonian, dear.. Aerandria Scans isn't that hard to spell XD. Okay it is, but I lovem their releases enough to remember it. <3<br /><br />Oh and I would really love if it was only scanlators who could upload to the hosting site. That way they could decide if they want to use the site or not and everyone will be happy. If the fans would like the scanlation there, they could just go to the scanlation group to ask XD. <br /><br />Either way, I sort of liked mangafox but I lately read there only One Piece and first chapters of new series and then if I like it I will just track the groups.Aruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07618459091535564720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8413047640078418003.post-83998689373587495462009-11-13T10:28:15.561+08:002009-11-13T10:28:15.561+08:00I think waiting period is like...when the scanlati...I think waiting period is like...when the scanlation group first releases it, for a set amount of time (example: 24 hours) they want to make it exclusively available to dl from their site or irc channel. So in this example, 24 hours is the waiting period. I could be mistaken, but that's what I thought.MissInformedhttp://skipbeat.dailyforum.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8413047640078418003.post-10254660265679135552009-11-13T10:14:17.778+08:002009-11-13T10:14:17.778+08:00“MF will continue its policy of removing less-popu...“MF will continue its policy of removing less-popular manga at scanlators' request when they are licensed so we don't hurt small publishers.”<br /><br />I disagree with this completely, because hosting a manga on MF will increase its popularity. And if some one likes it enough, they’ll buy it. I very rarely buy manga that I haven’t read at least part of online. I have to make sure nothing irritates me. Nothing sucks more than buying a whole volume and then finding something you can’t stand. (For me it would be the guy being more experienced than the girl. Of course, haha…) Hadashi de Bara wo Fume is now licensed and the previous scanlator dropped it. Another group has picked it up and I will continue reading from them so that I don’t have to wait forever, but I like this manga so much I am willing to buy all of the volumes when they come out.<br /><br />Ugh… This is so stupid!!<br /><br />(But what do they mean by waiting period...? O_o)Zerelja Marhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13319129955320547920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8413047640078418003.post-11268319486700461712009-11-12T13:57:49.537+08:002009-11-12T13:57:49.537+08:00third comment: I would like to see a website where...third comment: I would like to see a website where scanslators and scanslators alone can post their scans one day. The trick is getting it known enough that scanslators will bother uploading to them.<br /> MF succeds because it relies on ppl uploading what they like. it's smart and stupid as many great things with people.Kilimoniannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8413047640078418003.post-10227515774127533892009-11-12T13:49:58.159+08:002009-11-12T13:49:58.159+08:00(ftr, I uploaded not knowing the policy. Sometimes...(ftr, I uploaded not knowing the policy. Sometimes, you just miss things)Kilimoniannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8413047640078418003.post-39533840824449920442009-11-12T13:48:04.832+08:002009-11-12T13:48:04.832+08:00I think MF is probably just trying their best to d...I think MF is probably just trying their best to deal with all the random demands. I disagree on some parts and agree with others.<br /><br />Main point: They will take it off if scanslators ask as long as its only on their own site. <br /><br />The 7 day wait period doesn't mean its free game after the 7 days. It's a good rule for places like Binktopia where their scans just get put everywhere (duh! they are doing One Piece and Naruto). If they wanted to try to keep it on their site alone for a while, then MF says we'll work for at least 7 days against all the idiots who ignore Binktopia's requests and upload it. By the end of a week, however, MF has done what it can but the manga is probably all over the internet so why should they bother trying.<br /><br />Now, let's say there is another site that does less popular ones such as Aendriea (can't spell it). It's easier to control and if Aendriea decides that they need people coming in to make enough money to support the site, then MF says, as long as you can keep it off most major sites, we'll do our best to keep your scans off. MF has done a good job complying with Aendriea (I know because I uploaded their scans once only to get it removed). They do a good control job.<br /><br />Sure, they are taking the managable route versus the moral high road but MF is huge. It's hard. You see very well on your own scans for SB that people ignore whatever your wishes are-- imagine MF's job of trying to get their wishes off.<br /><br />Any better solution I can think of is way too complicated.Kilimoniannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8413047640078418003.post-53960030697932751452009-11-11T04:52:58.763+08:002009-11-11T04:52:58.763+08:00Sigh..
In my opinion is kind of mean?
Cause like.....Sigh..<br />In my opinion is kind of mean?<br />Cause like..<br />If there's like this huge reason of why a scanlation can't stay up on mangafox and they aren't going to remove it...<br />I think that it can cause a lot of inconvenience<br /><br />Like for example <br />(is a bit on the extreme side but who knows)<br /><br />A scan group will get sued if they scans aren't removed from the internet<br /><br />Of course I don't think that mangafox people are that unreasonable but if something like that..<br />Where the scan group would be getting into major trouble if their scans showed up on certain sites... then I think that the mods should listen to the scan groups and remove the chapters.<br /><br /><br />As for a solution...<br /><br />Hmm...<br /><br />well<br /><br />Mechgouki-san<br /><br />You can always add a special watermark to each page and stuff!<br /><br />We'll help you make it if you want :3<br /><br />And in the last page you can write the whole<br /><br />"If this is hosted on any other site besides mine please remove it." <br /><br />Or something like that..Mitsukihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08071794155787128673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8413047640078418003.post-24006039385036246042009-11-11T02:26:00.536+08:002009-11-11T02:26:00.536+08:00Actually Mech, I'm going to quote myself here:...Actually Mech, I'm going to quote myself here:<br /><br />"As far as the scanlators though... Since they can not claim that the intellectual property is theirs, there is no reason why Manga Fox CAN'T host as they receive the completed scanlations."<br /><br />I guess I didn't explain my thought completely. This was/is to say that I agree with you that posting should be each individual scanlator's decision to allow, BUT there are no legal grounds for MF to NOT host it. Basically it's considered free material since no one but the author has any legal claim over it.<br /><br />Do I think the scanlator should have say if their work is put up? Definitely. <br /><br />Do I think Seeliespright is wrong to say what he did MORALLY? Definitely.<br /><br />Is there anything wrong with what he said legally? No.<br /><br />Overall, I think it's horrible because of the backlash it may cause.Spherrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10744876526516927196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8413047640078418003.post-7828044970732064522009-11-10T22:57:03.431+08:002009-11-10T22:57:03.431+08:00Orrrr if you don't want your stuff posted at a...Orrrr if you don't want your stuff posted at all, maybe put an advertisement for your site on every page. (Might be tedious, might look weird, but....) Then, if you can call your site a hosting site (maybe you could argue that it is since you're technically hosting scans), whoever posts it is breaking a rule too. So perhaps they'd have to remove it on the grounds of advertising. ;-)<br /><br />(I feel like that might not work, but I can't think of anything.) :-PMissInformedhttp://skipbeat.dailyforum.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8413047640078418003.post-1025312738167989022009-11-10T22:51:49.925+08:002009-11-10T22:51:49.925+08:00It's irritating, but I guess nothing can be do...It's irritating, but I guess nothing can be done about it. Even if he says he's taking the moral high ground as an excuse to do whatever he wants, what he says is true. So I don't really see how anyone could argue with him. I think his mind is made up anyway.<br /><br />I can see how it would make sense to say something like that some of the time. But I don't think it's one of those things that's black and white. There needs to be some room for exceptions, but I don't think they want to have to deal with it. I can see making a rule so everyone gets the same treatment. But it can create problems as well.<br /><br />I gave up trying to agree with whatever happens on mangafox. I used to keep going back for the forums, but their efforts to clean up the forums seems to have backfired. People who make unnecessary threads and post spam will continue to do so because they're too ignorant not to. And the fun people who would post interesting or funny posts don't post so much anymore. And when the mods do show up, they're trigger happy. Maybe they're justified, but still.<br /><br />Anyway, I went off on a tangent.<br /><br />Basically, I see their point kinda, but I see your point too. I guess if you want to post anything in "rough draft" form, you might want to stamp it as such. And add disclaimer pages, credits pages, etc as necessary.MissInformedhttp://skipbeat.dailyforum.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8413047640078418003.post-89489079770047865902009-11-10T20:22:18.520+08:002009-11-10T20:22:18.520+08:00Good bringouts, but not my points at all.
My poin...Good bringouts, but not my points at all.<br /><br />My point is that Seeliespright has no right to declare whether scanlators' reasons are valid or not. That is for each individual scanlator to decide.<br /><br />Furthermore, he appears to have a righteous cause, but he's merely using that as an excuse to how he can use scanlator's stuff without needing their consent.<br /><br />That's the way I see it. Apparently, I'm the only one who sees it as a potential problem.mechgoukihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11740452698497588136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8413047640078418003.post-33619318366570663542009-11-10T16:55:50.472+08:002009-11-10T16:55:50.472+08:00I think there is a great deal of validity to your ...I think there is a great deal of validity to your argument Mechgouki. While the copywright is not being observed to produce the scanlations, no one (should be) making money off of them. That makes it not as much of a problem for the artist. <br /><br />As far as the scanlators though... Since they can not claim that the intellectual property is theirs, there is no reason why Manga Fox CAN'T host as they receive the completed scanlations.<br /><br />The problem with that is that it will/could cause a stronger security of the scanlators' work. Think of Billwang and how tight and picky they are about their scans.<br /><br />Additionally, it can become a slanderous situation for the person doing the work like what happened to Mech (you) recently when someone else sumbitted a work that was never meant to be posted.Spherrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10744876526516927196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8413047640078418003.post-11607852910662649992009-11-10T16:25:08.511+08:002009-11-10T16:25:08.511+08:00Maybe I'm the only one overreacting to it. Pos...Maybe I'm the only one overreacting to it. Possibly. <br /><br />But I've got a good reason to feel offended, considering if someone just tried to judge whether my reasons are valid or not.mechgoukihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11740452698497588136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8413047640078418003.post-13222282118196347982009-11-10T15:57:36.788+08:002009-11-10T15:57:36.788+08:00The point here is that Mangafox will insist on hos...The point here is that Mangafox will insist on hosting manga even if it goes against the wishes of the person scanlating it.<br /><br />But that's just me. If you guys don't think that this is a problem, then it probably isn't going to be a problem.<br /><br />For my case, if I do scanlations and decide to be the sole hoster, I will be the one to decide whether my reasons are valid or not.mechgoukihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11740452698497588136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8413047640078418003.post-70852386327815651872009-11-10T10:38:48.108+08:002009-11-10T10:38:48.108+08:00Well, I'm still fuzzy on the whole situation, ...Well, I'm still fuzzy on the whole situation, but I would just like to say something.<br />I understand that you enjoy mangafox, and so do a lot of us. But if there is a problem you would like to share, I'd be glad to hear it.<br />It seems as though mangafox is being unfair, but if you think about it, the law is the law. Not every single speeder gets a speeding ticket, just keep that in mind. I think in this situation, yeah, Mangafox is being unfair. But I'm just fourteen (and a half) and I have to deal with the cruel reality of the world being unfair.<br />If you are really not enjoying being on Mangafox, try onemanga or other major scanlation hosts. There are many to look at, so try not to talk about the cons of one website but just look for another.<br />This is just my opinion, by the way. I don't mean to be un-constructively criticizing you in anyway. Sorry if I sound very annoying.<br />Magicmelody2o2o (by the way, I love the video game translations)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8413047640078418003.post-74074110064331508562009-11-10T02:55:40.351+08:002009-11-10T02:55:40.351+08:00And it's actually ilegal. If anyone is making...And it's actually ilegal. If anyone is making money off of their translations, it becomes a serious violation of copywite laws.Spherrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10744876526516927196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8413047640078418003.post-65900786033494527432009-11-10T02:32:55.752+08:002009-11-10T02:32:55.752+08:00Scanlating manga gives the scanlator's NO righ...Scanlating manga gives the scanlator's NO right to it. Just because you translate something, doesn't give you any proprietary ownership.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com